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JamesJah

Whhat rare real Christians doing this Easter?

What things should real Christians not be doing this Easter?

What is the May pole a  symbol of?

Did God approve of the Jews worshiping sacred poles? How about Bel

worship?


Jeremiah 50:2
Declare it among the nations and proclaim it. Raise a signal and proclaim it. Do not hide anything! Say, ‘Babylon has been captured. Bel has been put to shame. Merodach has become terrified. Her images have been put to shame. Her disgusting idols have become terrified.


Jeremiah 51:44
I will turn my attention upon Bel in Babylon, and I will bring forth out of his mouth what he has swallowed. And to him nations will stream no more. Also, the wall itself of Babylon must fall.





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cyberman

Re: Wgarare teal Christians doing thid Easter>?

JamesJah wrote:
Wgarare teal Christians doing thid Easter>?


I've told you, don't pinch Farmer's drinks when he isn't looking; it isn't really Coke in that can.

Now, as far a May Poles are concerned - they have nothing whatsoever to do with Easter. Movable as it may be, Easter Day is never in May.

As the only actual words in the thread title are "Christians", "doing" and "Easter", and then you talk about May Poles and show us pictures from the ancient world of people holding sticks, I am trying to guess what you are saying to us.

I think your message is this:

"Hey, all you non-Christian Christian guys, you know how you will all be dancing round maypoles this Easter? Well don't, because that is what Ancient Egyptians did, and they were not cool"

(For some reason in my mind you sound today like Zaphod Beeblebrox. Possibly because your title only makes sense after a PanGalactic Gargle-Blaster).

Anyway, let me put your mind at rest. None of us will be dancing round maypoles this, or any, Easter.

MayPole dancing is not associated with Christianity. It is viewed (rightly or wrongly, I don't know) as a pagan practice, kept allive mostly by Morris Dancers who enjoy their pretend penises and whatnot.
JamesJah

I thought you had all gone on you holly day??????

 Sex worship is still more popular than the Christian celebration is it not?

Eggs and bunny's?  

 
Jim

JamesJah wrote:
I thought you had all gone on you holly day??????

 Sex worship is still more popular than the Christian celebration is it not?

Eggs and bunny's?  

 
 


-Why post that tryptic of Menkhaure?
(I've asked you before and the question is obviouslly to difficult for you.)
Jim

Re: Wgarare teal Christians doing thid Easter>?

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Wgarare teal Christians doing thid Easter>?


I've told you, don't pinch Farmer's drinks when he isn't looking; it isn't really Coke in that can.

Now, as far a May Poles are concerned - they have nothing whatsoever to do with Easter. Movable as it may be, Easter Day is never in May.

As the only actual words in the thread title are "Christians", "doing" and "Easter", and then you talk about May Poles and show us pictures from the ancient world of people holding sticks, I am trying to guess what you are saying to us.

I think your message is this:

"Hey, all you non-Christian Christian guys, you know how you will all be dancing round maypoles this Easter? Well don't, because that is what Ancient Egyptians did, and they were not cool"

(For some reason in my mind you sound today like Zaphod Beeblebrox. Possibly because your title only makes sense after a PanGalactic Gargle-Blaster).

Anyway, let me put your mind at rest. None of us will be dancing round maypoles this, or any, Easter.

MayPole dancing is not associated with Christianity. It is viewed (rightly or wrongly, I don't know) as a pagan practice, kept allive mostly by Morris Dancers who enjoy their pretend penises and whatnot.
 

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Agreed, though I'd add that maypoles, bubnnies and eggs have this in common...they have diddly squat to do with Egypt or Christianity - a bit like Jw-ism, actually.
JamesJah

Re: Wgarare teal Christians doing thid Easter>?

Jim wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Wgarare teal Christians doing thid Easter>?


I've told you, don't pinch Farmer's drinks when he isn't looking; it isn't really Coke in that can.

Now, as far a May Poles are concerned - they have nothing whatsoever to do with Easter. Movable as it may be, Easter Day is never in May.

As the only actual words in the thread title are "Christians", "doing" and "Easter", and then you talk about May Poles and show us pictures from the ancient world of people holding sticks, I am trying to guess what you are saying to us.

I think your message is this:

"Hey, all you non-Christian Christian guys, you know how you will all be dancing round maypoles this Easter? Well don't, because that is what Ancient Egyptians did, and they were not cool"

(For some reason in my mind you sound today like Zaphod Beeblebrox. Possibly because your title only makes sense after a PanGalactic Gargle-Blaster).

Anyway, let me put your mind at rest. None of us will be dancing round maypoles this, or any, Easter.

MayPole dancing is not associated with Christianity. It is viewed (rightly or wrongly, I don't know) as a pagan practice, kept allive mostly by Morris Dancers who enjoy their pretend penises and whatnot.
 

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Agreed, though I'd add that maypoles, bubnnies and eggs have this in common...they have diddly squat to do with Egypt or Christianity - a bit like Jw-ism, actually.


Which bit would that be?

I s this you personal type of Christianity coming to the for?

What is the law of the Christ?
Jim

Re: Wgarare teal Christians doing thid Easter>?

[quote="JamesJah:115010"]
Jim wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Wgarare teal Christians doing thid Easter>?


I've told you, don't pinch Farmer's drinks when he isn't looking; it isn't really Coke in that can.

Now, as far a May Poles are concerned - they have nothing whatsoever to do with Easter. Movable as it may be, Easter Day is never in May.

As the only actual words in the thread title are "Christians", "doing" and "Easter", and then you talk about May Poles and show us pictures from the ancient world of people holding sticks, I am trying to guess what you are saying to us.

I think your message is this:

"Hey, all you non-Christian Christian guys, you know how you will all be dancing round maypoles this Easter? Well don't, because that is what Ancient Egyptians did, and they were not cool"

(For some reason in my mind you sound today like Zaphod Beeblebrox. Possibly because your title only makes sense after a PanGalactic Gargle-Blaster).

Anyway, let me put your mind at rest. None of us will be dancing round maypoles this, or any, Easter.

MayPole dancing is not associated with Christianity. It is viewed (rightly or wrongly, I don't know) as a pagan practice, kept allive mostly by Morris Dancers who enjoy their pretend penises and whatnot.
 

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Agreed, though I'd add that maypoles, bubnnies and eggs have this in common...they have diddly squat to do with Egypt or Christianity - a bit like Jw-ism, actually.


Which bit would that be?

I s this you personal type of Christianity coming to the for?

What is the law of the Christ?


Er... before you waste everyone's time by doing a parrot impression and quoting the tripe from the WT, is there, perchance, any chance of you FINALLY telling me why you posted a photo of a Dyn IV king, Menkhaure...who was the grandson of the builder of Russell the antichrist's "Second Scripture in stone..." ?
JamesJah

Re: Wgarare teal Christians doing thid Easter>?

[quote="Jim:115014"]
JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Wgarare teal Christians doing thid Easter>?


I've told you, don't pinch Farmer's drinks when he isn't looking; it isn't really Coke in that can.

Now, as far a May Poles are concerned - they have nothing whatsoever to do with Easter. Movable as it may be, Easter Day is never in May.

As the only actual words in the thread title are "Christians", "doing" and "Easter", and then you talk about May Poles and show us pictures from the ancient world of people holding sticks, I am trying to guess what you are saying to us.

I think your message is this:

"Hey, all you non-Christian Christian guys, you know how you will all be dancing round maypoles this Easter? Well don't, because that is what Ancient Egyptians did, and they were not cool"

(For some reason in my mind you sound today like Zaphod Beeblebrox. Possibly because your title only makes sense after a PanGalactic Gargle-Blaster).

Anyway, let me put your mind at rest. None of us will be dancing round maypoles this, or any, Easter.

MayPole dancing is not associated with Christianity. It is viewed (rightly or wrongly, I don't know) as a pagan practice, kept allive mostly by Morris Dancers who enjoy their pretend penises and whatnot.
 

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Agreed, though I'd add that maypoles, bubnnies and eggs have this in common...they have diddly squat to do with Egypt or Christianity - a bit like Jw-ism, actually.


Which bit would that be?

I s this you personal type of Christianity coming to the for?

What is the law of the Christ?


Er... before you waste everyone's time by doing a parrot impression and quoting the tripe from the WT, is there, perchance, any chance of you FINALLY telling me why you posted a photo of a Dyn IV king, Menkhaure...who was the grandson of the builder of Russell the antichrist's "Second Scripture in stone..." ?


I only teach scripture so why you keep bringing up some ancient bible student beats me?

Your Egyptians were into sex worship big time the same as most religions of today are.

So back to the law of the Christ do you know what it should be?
Jim

So you won't even do the courtesy of telling me why you post a picture of a Dyn IV egyptian monarch who lived long before the time of Abraham?
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
So you won't even do the courtesy of telling me why you post a picture of a Dyn IV egyptian monarch who lived long before the time of Abraham?


You like trinities what is wrong with this one?

Back to the law of the Christ, any of the people who claim to know him have they any idea?
Jim

[quote="JamesJah:115042"]
Jim wrote:
So you won't even do the courtesy of telling me why you post a picture of a Dyn IV egyptian monarch who lived long before the time of Abraham?


You like trinities what is wrong with this one?  
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Because, James, anyone with even the most basic understanding of the purpose of Dyn IV iconography in relation to Osirian mythology would teell you that the sculpture is NOT a trinity...for starters, Menkhaure is not depicted as a god, but as king. Deification/assimilation with Horus was thought to occur after death in this early theology, as opposed to the "god-king" ideas of the New Kingdom.
Please research your inmages before posting them, as it would save a lot of time.
JamesJah

[quote="Jim:115044"]
JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
So you won't even do the courtesy of telling me why you post a picture of a Dyn IV egyptian monarch who lived long before the time of Abraham?


You like trinities what is wrong with this one?  
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Because, James, anyone with even the most basic understanding of the purpose of Dyn IV iconography in relation to Osirian mythology would teell you that the sculpture is NOT a trinity...for starters, Menkhaure is not depicted as a god, but as king. Deification/assimilation with Horus was thought to occur after death in this early theology, as opposed to the "god-king" ideas of the New Kingdom.
Please research your inmages before posting them, as it would save a lot of time.


The images come from a list of trinity images, most rulers were considered to be gods after the flood.


Now back to the bit you appear to find embarrassing, the law of the Christ?






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Jim

[quote="JamesJah:115046"]
Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
So you won't even do the courtesy of telling me why you post a picture of a Dyn IV egyptian monarch who lived long before the time of Abraham?


You like trinities what is wrong with this one?  
-

Because, James, anyone with even the most basic understanding of the purpose of Dyn IV iconography in relation to Osirian mythology would teell you that the sculpture is NOT a trinity...for starters, Menkhaure is not depicted as a god, but as king. Deification/assimilation with Horus was thought to occur after death in this early theology, as opposed to the "god-king" ideas of the New Kingdom.
Please research your inmages before posting them, as it would save a lot of time.


The images come from a list of trinity images, most rulers were considered to be gods after the flood.


Now back to the bit you appear to find embarrassing, the law of the Christ?  



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Not just yet, old fruit.
You can't simply throw in stuff like that without backing them up.
1. Which 'trinity images'? If I placed a banana, a chicken and a copy of the Watchtower I'd saved from the cat litter tray together and took a pic of them, would that be a trinity as well?
I'd suuggest that in the case of the Menkhaure TRIPTIC - not TRINITY - both they, and you are in error.
2. "most kings regarded themselves as gods"...
Er...you can't throw that bit in.
You know nothing of Old Kingdom theology, so don't make such a statement without substantiating it, please.
3...."after the flood"...when?
what flood? if you mean the Noahic flood in Genessis, then there is much in the Hebrew to suggest that the flood was not global, nothing in archaeology to suggest that it was, and no suggestion on your part as to WHEN it was.

We can't go anywhere till you can answer these points.






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JamesJah

How can one have a triune God in nature if one is greater than the other one?

John 14:28
I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.


Have Christians lost sight of what the difference is from a man who cultivates the fruits of the spirit and the man of the world?


Galatians 5:25, 26
If we are living by spirit, let us also go on walking orderly by spirit. Let us not become egotistical, stirring up competition with one another, envying one another.


1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.
Jim

JamesJah wrote:
How can one have a triune God in nature if one is greater than the other one?

John 14:28
I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.


Have Christians lost sight of what the difference is from a man who cultivates the fruits of the spirit and the man of the world?


Galatians 5:25, 26
If we are living by spirit, let us also go on walking orderly by spirit. Let us not become egotistical, stirring up competition with one another, envying one another.


1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.



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Flinging in scriptures won't answer those three points, James.
Stop trying to hide behind the Scripture and please answer my points.
Your evasion tactics do nothing to affirm the sect to which you belong.
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
How can one have a triune God in nature if one is greater than the other one?

John 14:28
I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.


Have Christians lost sight of what the difference is from a man who cultivates the fruits of the spirit and the man of the world?


Galatians 5:25, 26
If we are living by spirit, let us also go on walking orderly by spirit. Let us not become egotistical, stirring up competition with one another, envying one another.


1 Corinthians 1:10
Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.



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Flinging in scriptures won't answer those three points, James.
Stop trying to hide behind the Scripture and please answer my points.
Your evasion tactics do nothing to affirm the sect to which you belong.


Your avoidance of the scriptures does tell us a lot about why you avoid reading them.

What did Jesus do to the money changers in the temple just before he died?

So what does he think of the Easter that has replaced what he instituted?

What does he think of people who teach he is equal with his Father when he plainly said he was not?

What is the difference from a spiritual man and a physical one?

2 Timothy 3:16, 17
All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
Jim

I'm not avoiding the Scriptures, James.
As a matter of fact, I preached on John 13, 18-30 last night.
I'm simply asking you, as a matter of courtesy, to respond to my points.
Is that concept beyond your understanding?
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
I'm not avoiding the Scriptures, James.
As a matter of fact, I preached on John 13, 18-30 last night.
I'm simply asking you, as a matter of courtesy, to respond to my points.
Is that concept beyond your understanding?



I do not have a problem with the dynasties of Egypt like you might have, but many Christians do have a problem with their relation ship with the most high, and the mediator of the new covenant

The reason for their lack of understanding, is having been indoctrinated by religious ideas adopted by those who have succumbed to the infiltration of ancient mythical religions of the past, which had in the past been shown to be something the a Almighty looks on with disdain.

One of the main ways of solving the Christians problem has been discovered to be getting back to what the bible teaches rather than what man teaches.

That is why this prophecy is something to take notice of in the last days.

Isaiah 2:2, 3
In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream.  And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.

1 Corinthians 4:6
Now, brothers, these things I have applied to myself and A·pollos for your good, that through us you may learn the rule:

Do not go beyond the things that are written,

so that you may not be puffed up with pride, favouring one against the other.
Jim

JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
I'm not avoiding the Scriptures, James.
As a matter of fact, I preached on John 13, 18-30 last night.
I'm simply asking you, as a matter of courtesy, to respond to my points.
Is that concept beyond your understanding?



I do not have a problem with the dynasties of Egypt like you might have, but many Christians do have a problem with their relation ship with the most high, and the mediator of the new covenant

The reason for their lack of understanding, is having been indoctrinated by religious ideas adopted by those who have succumbed to the infiltration of ancient mythical religions of the past, which had in the past been shown to be something the a Almighty looks on with disdain.

One of the main ways of solving the Christians problem has been discovered to be getting back to what the bible teaches rather than what man teaches.

That is why this prophecy is something to take notice of in the last days.

Isaiah 2:2, 3
In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream.  And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.

1 Corinthians 4:6
Now, brothers, these things I have applied to myself and A·pollos for your good, that through us you may learn the rule:

Do not go beyond the things that are written,

so that you may not be puffed up with pride, favouring one against the other.
 

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I'd suggest that you are the one with the problems regarding Egypt, James - as amply demonstrated here and in your dismal attempt to cover up the fact of the WTBTS willful deception over 607 BC.
Oh, and indoctrination?
Since the WTBTS does not encourage people studying theology at university, they are the indoctrinated delusional ones.
Such an education, far from weakenung faith, strengthens it.
Can I suggest you abandon the proven deceivers in Brooklyn and become a Christian?
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
I'm not avoiding the Scriptures, James.
As a matter of fact, I preached on John 13, 18-30 last night.
I'm simply asking you, as a matter of courtesy, to respond to my points.
Is that concept beyond your understanding?



I do not have a problem with the dynasties of Egypt like you might have, but many Christians do have a problem with their relation ship with the most high, and the mediator of the new covenant

The reason for their lack of understanding, is having been indoctrinated by religious ideas adopted by those who have succumbed to the infiltration of ancient mythical religions of the past, which had in the past been shown to be something the a Almighty looks on with disdain.

One of the main ways of solving the Christians problem has been discovered to be getting back to what the bible teaches rather than what man teaches.

That is why this prophecy is something to take notice of in the last days.

Isaiah 2:2, 3
In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream.  And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.

1 Corinthians 4:6
Now, brothers, these things I have applied to myself and A·pollos for your good, that through us you may learn the rule:

Do not go beyond the things that are written,

so that you may not be puffed up with pride, favouring one against the other.
 

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I'd suggest that you are the one with the problems regarding Egypt, James - as amply demonstrated here and in your dismal attempt to cover up the fact of the WTBTS willful deception over 607 BC.
Oh, and indoctrination?
Since the WTBTS does not encourage people studying theology at university, they are the indoctrinated delusional ones.
Such an education, far from weakenung faith, strengthens it.
Can I suggest you abandon the proven deceivers in Brooklyn and become a Christian?


Where can I find Christians that preach the truth of Gods word today and not traditions of men?

Are we in the time of the end?

Have the kings had their day?

Has Jesus taken up his power to rile over mankind?

Which church has not been asleep to the times we live in?

When has man encourages faith in the scriptures and when have you?
Rose

Re: Whhat rare real Christians doing this Easter?

JamesJah wrote:
What things should real Christians not be doing this Easter?

What is the May pole a  symbol of?

Did God approve of the Jews worshiping sacred poles? How about Bel

worship?


Jeremiah 50:2
Declare it among the nations and proclaim it. Raise a signal and proclaim it. Do not hide anything! Say, ‘Babylon has been captured. Bel has been put to shame. Merodach has become terrified. Her images have been put to shame. Her disgusting idols have become terrified.


Jeremiah 51:44
I will turn my attention upon Bel in Babylon, and I will bring forth out of his mouth what he has swallowed. And to him nations will stream no more. Also, the wall itself of Babylon must fall.





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Maypoles?  At Easter?





Tell me!  Do Jehovahs witnesses hold a party after Easter, like they do after Christmas because they don't celebrate Christmas or Easter?

A lot of the Christians I know, will go to church just like they do any other Sunday, and some of them will stand outside and pray and have a cross decorated with flowers to commemorate what Easter means to them!

As well as sing relevant hymns!

None of which relates to Easter bunnies or eggs.

If they did include eggs ie egg hunt for the children then they explain it as A symbol of new life in Christ!

Yes maybe it has got a pagan interpretation as well but so do days of the week which honour gods such as Thor and Woden!

You are free not to celebrate Easter!

You don't have to!
Anyway why on earth would you think anyone worships maypoles?

People dance around them not worship them!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GP_yDQP6jCE


Julie
JamesJah

Re: Whhat rare real Christians doing this Easter?

Rose wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
What things should real Christians not be doing this Easter?

What is the May pole a  symbol of?

Did God approve of the Jews worshiping sacred poles? How about Bel

worship?


Jeremiah 50:2
Declare it among the nations and proclaim it. Raise a signal and proclaim it. Do not hide anything! Say, ‘Babylon has been captured. Bel has been put to shame. Merodach has become terrified. Her images have been put to shame. Her disgusting idols have become terrified.


Jeremiah 51:44
I will turn my attention upon Bel in Babylon, and I will bring forth out of his mouth what he has swallowed. And to him nations will stream no more. Also, the wall itself of Babylon must fall.





Click to see full size image




Click to see full size image





Maypoles?  At Easter?





Tell me!  Do Jehovahs witnesses hold a party after Easter, like they do after Christmas because they don't celebrate Christmas or Easter?

A lot of the Christians I know, will go to church just like they do any other Sunday, and some of them will stand outside and pray and have a cross decorated with flowers to commemorate what Easter means to them!

As well as sing relevant hymns!

None of which relates to Easter bunnies or eggs.

If they did include eggs ie egg hunt for the children then they explain it as A symbol of new life in Christ!

Yes maybe it has got a pagan interpretation as well but so do days of the week which honour gods such as Thor and Woden!

You are free not to celebrate Easter!

You don't have to!
Anyway why on earth would you think anyone worships maypoles?

People dance around them not worship them!

Julie


I think you will find many carrying sacred poles around this Easter it is the tradition of those who think it pleases some one to do so is it not?

Judges 3:7
So the Israelites did what was bad in Jehovah’s eyes, and they forgot Jehovah their God and were serving the Baals and the sacred poles. 


Isaiah 17:7-10
 In that day man will look up to his Maker, and his eyes will gaze at the Holy One of Israel. He will not look to the altars, the work of his hands; and he will not gaze at what his fingers have made,

either the sacred poles or the incense stands.  

In that day his fortress cities will become like an abandoned site in the woodland, Like a branch that was abandoned before the Israelites; It will become a wasteland.

 For you have forgotten the God of your salvation; You have failed to remember the Rock of your fortress. That is why you plant beautiful plantations And set it with the shoot of a stranger.
Rose

Re: Whhat rare real Christians doing this Easter?

JamesJah wrote:
Rose wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
What things should real Christians not be doing this Easter?

What is the May pole a  symbol of?

Did God approve of the Jews worshiping sacred poles? How about Bel

worship?


Jeremiah 50:2
Declare it among the nations and proclaim it. Raise a signal and proclaim it. Do not hide anything! Say, ‘Babylon has been captured. Bel has been put to shame. Merodach has become terrified. Her images have been put to shame. Her disgusting idols have become terrified.


Jeremiah 51:44
I will turn my attention upon Bel in Babylon, and I will bring forth out of his mouth what he has swallowed. And to him nations will stream no more. Also, the wall itself of Babylon must fall.





Click to see full size image




Click to see full size image





Maypoles?  At Easter?





Tell me!  Do Jehovahs witnesses hold a party after Easter, like they do after Christmas because they don't celebrate Christmas or Easter?

A lot of the Christians I know, will go to church just like they do any other Sunday, and some of them will stand outside and pray and have a cross decorated with flowers to commemorate what Easter means to them!

As well as sing relevant hymns!

None of which relates to Easter bunnies or eggs.

If they did include eggs ie egg hunt for the children then they explain it as A symbol of new life in Christ!

Yes maybe it has got a pagan interpretation as well but so do days of the week which honour gods such as Thor and Woden!

You are free not to celebrate Easter!

You don't have to!
Anyway why on earth would you think anyone worships maypoles?

People dance around them not worship them!

Julie


I think you will find many carrying sacred poles around this Easter it is the tradition of those who think it pleases some one to do so is it not?

Judges 3:7
So the Israelites did what was bad in Jehovah’s eyes, and they forgot Jehovah their God and were serving the Baals and the sacred poles. 


Isaiah 17:7-10
 In that day man will look up to his Maker, and his eyes will gaze at the Holy One of Israel. He will not look to the altars, the work of his hands; and he will not gaze at what his fingers have made,

either the sacred poles or the incense stands.  

In that day his fortress cities will become like an abandoned site in the woodland, Like a branch that was abandoned before the Israelites; It will become a wasteland.

 For you have forgotten the God of your salvation; You have failed to remember the Rock of your fortress. That is why you plant beautiful plantations And set it with the shoot of a stranger.


I can't think of anyone who will be carrying around a pole this Easter



They might help carry a cross into the churchyard though, in remembrance of Jesus and his message!

Who are you thinking of James?

The only people carrying a pole in churches , I can think of are the local scout troop colours, but that isn't anything to do with maypoles!


Julie
JamesJah

Re: Whhat rare real Christians doing this Easter?

Rose wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Rose wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
What things should real Christians not be doing this Easter?

What is the May pole a  symbol of?

Did God approve of the Jews worshiping sacred poles? How about Bel

worship?


Jeremiah 50:2
Declare it among the nations and proclaim it. Raise a signal and proclaim it. Do not hide anything! Say, ‘Babylon has been captured. Bel has been put to shame. Merodach has become terrified. Her images have been put to shame. Her disgusting idols have become terrified.


Jeremiah 51:44
I will turn my attention upon Bel in Babylon, and I will bring forth out of his mouth what he has swallowed. And to him nations will stream no more. Also, the wall itself of Babylon must fall.





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Maypoles?  At Easter?





Tell me!  Do Jehovahs witnesses hold a party after Easter, like they do after Christmas because they don't celebrate Christmas or Easter?

A lot of the Christians I know, will go to church just like they do any other Sunday, and some of them will stand outside and pray and have a cross decorated with flowers to commemorate what Easter means to them!

As well as sing relevant hymns!

None of which relates to Easter bunnies or eggs.

If they did include eggs ie egg hunt for the children then they explain it as A symbol of new life in Christ!

Yes maybe it has got a pagan interpretation as well but so do days of the week which honour gods such as Thor and Woden!

You are free not to celebrate Easter!

You don't have to!
Anyway why on earth would you think anyone worships maypoles?

People dance around them not worship them!

Julie


I think you will find many carrying sacred poles around this Easter it is the tradition of those who think it pleases some one to do so is it not?

Judges 3:7
So the Israelites did what was bad in Jehovah’s eyes, and they forgot Jehovah their God and were serving the Baals and the sacred poles. 


Isaiah 17:7-10
 In that day man will look up to his Maker, and his eyes will gaze at the Holy One of Israel. He will not look to the altars, the work of his hands; and he will not gaze at what his fingers have made,

either the sacred poles or the incense stands.  

In that day his fortress cities will become like an abandoned site in the woodland, Like a branch that was abandoned before the Israelites; It will become a wasteland.

 For you have forgotten the God of your salvation; You have failed to remember the Rock of your fortress. That is why you plant beautiful plantations And set it with the shoot of a stranger.


I can't think of anyone who will be carrying around a pole this Easter



They might help carry a cross into the churchyard though, in remembrance of Jesus and his message!

Who are you thinking of James?

The only people carrying a pole in churches , I can think of are the local scout troop colours, but that isn't anything to do with maypoles!


Julie


You might call it what you wish not in reality the people are venerating a piece of wood that they think was used to murder a man on, are they not?


John 3:14, 15
just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so the Son of man must be lifted up, 15 so that everyone believing in him may have everlasting life.

The Jews venerated this pole for a while did they not?
Rose

I had to go to the watch tower site and look up sacred poles, James.

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003789

I don't see the connection between the Christian celebration of Easter and sacred poles apart from a sense of renewal.

The Christian Easter as far as I can see has nothing to do with Maypoles.

You could argue that maypoles as a non Christian tradition might have some similarities to the bit your watch tower is quoting.

Example:
From the watchtower


Quote:


The Hebrew word ʼashe·rah′ (pl., ʼashe·rim′) is thought to refer to (1) a sacred pole representing Asherah, a Canaanite goddess of fertility (Jg 6:25, 26), and (2) the goddess Asherah herself.
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200003789


About Maypoles

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The Maypole is one of the traditional symbols of Beltane, and let's not kid ourselves about its purpose: it's a giant phallus.

Because Beltane festivities usually kicked off the night before with a big bonfire, the Maypole celebration usually took place shortly after sunrise the next morning. This was when couples (and probably more than a few surprised triads) came staggering in from the fields, clothes in disarray and straw in their hair after a night of bonfire-inspired lustiness.

http://paganwiccan.about.com/od/beltanemayday/ht/MaypoleDance.htm

The symbolism of the maypole has been continuously debated by folklorists for centuries, although no set conclusion has ever been arrived at. Some scholars classify maypoles as symbols of the world axis (axis mundi). The fact that they were found primarily in areas of Germanic Europe, where, prior to Christianisation, Germanic paganism was followed in various forms, has led to speculation that the maypoles were in some way a continuation of a Germanic pagan tradition. One theory holds that they were a remnant of the Germanic reverence for sacred trees, as there is evidence for various sacred trees and wooden pillars that were venerated by the pagans across much of Germanic Europe, including Thor's Oak and the Irminsul.[1] It is also known that, in Norse paganism, cosmological views held that the universe was a world tree, known as Yggdrasil.[2][3][4][5][6] There is therefore speculation that the maypole was in some way a continuance of this tradition.

Non-Germanic people have viewed them as having phallic symbolism, an idea which was purported by Thomas Hobbes, who erroneously believed that the poles dated back to the Roman worship of the god Priapus. This notion has been supported by various figures since, including the psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud. Phallic symbolism has been attributed to the maypole in the later Early Modern period, as one sexual reference is in John Cleland's controversial novel Fanny Hill:

...and now, disengag'd from the shirt, I saw, with wonder and surprise, what? not the play-thing of a boy, not the weapon of a man, but a maypole of so enormous a standard, that had proportions been observ'd, it must have belong'd to a young giant.[7]
The anthropologist Mircea Eliade theorizes that the maypoles were simply a part of the general rejoicing at the return of summer, and the growth of new vegetation. In this way, they bore similarities with the May Day garlands which were also a common festival practice in Britain and Ireland.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maypole



I don't see any Christians dancing around maypoles at Easter though!

Julie


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Rose

Re: Whhat rare real Christians doing this Easter?

JamesJah wrote:
Rose wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Rose wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
What things should real Christians not be doing this Easter?

What is the May pole a  symbol of?

Did God approve of the Jews worshiping sacred poles? How about Bel

worship?


Jeremiah 50:2
Declare it among the nations and proclaim it. Raise a signal and proclaim it. Do not hide anything! Say, ‘Babylon has been captured. Bel has been put to shame. Merodach has become terrified. Her images have been put to shame. Her disgusting idols have become terrified.


Jeremiah 51:44
I will turn my attention upon Bel in Babylon, and I will bring forth out of his mouth what he has swallowed. And to him nations will stream no more. Also, the wall itself of Babylon must fall.





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Maypoles?  At Easter?





Tell me!  Do Jehovahs witnesses hold a party after Easter, like they do after Christmas because they don't celebrate Christmas or Easter?

A lot of the Christians I know, will go to church just like they do any other Sunday, and some of them will stand outside and pray and have a cross decorated with flowers to commemorate what Easter means to them!

As well as sing relevant hymns!

None of which relates to Easter bunnies or eggs.

If they did include eggs ie egg hunt for the children then they explain it as A symbol of new life in Christ!

Yes maybe it has got a pagan interpretation as well but so do days of the week which honour gods such as Thor and Woden!

You are free not to celebrate Easter!

You don't have to!
Anyway why on earth would you think anyone worships maypoles?

People dance around them not worship them!

Julie


I think you will find many carrying sacred poles around this Easter it is the tradition of those who think it pleases some one to do so is it not?

Judges 3:7
So the Israelites did what was bad in Jehovah’s eyes, and they forgot Jehovah their God and were serving the Baals and the sacred poles. 


Isaiah 17:7-10
 In that day man will look up to his Maker, and his eyes will gaze at the Holy One of Israel. He will not look to the altars, the work of his hands; and he will not gaze at what his fingers have made,

either the sacred poles or the incense stands.  

In that day his fortress cities will become like an abandoned site in the woodland, Like a branch that was abandoned before the Israelites; It will become a wasteland.

 For you have forgotten the God of your salvation; You have failed to remember the Rock of your fortress. That is why you plant beautiful plantations And set it with the shoot of a stranger.


I can't think of anyone who will be carrying around a pole this Easter



They might help carry a cross into the churchyard though, in remembrance of Jesus and his message!

Who are you thinking of James?

The only people carrying a pole in churches , I can think of are the local scout troop colours, but that isn't anything to do with maypoles!


Julie


You might call it what you wish nut in reality the people are venerating a piece of wood they think was used to murder a man on, are they not?


John 3:14, 15
just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so the Son of man must be lifted up, 15 so that everyone believing in him may have everlasting life.

The Jews venerated this pole for a while did they not?


Do you mean Christians and the cross at Easter?

That's not a pole but a cross.

I don't think they are worshipping it as a lump of wood though or as some sort of other God, but using it to remember what it symbolises to them which was Jesus and what his death meant to them.

I suppose it depends who you ask!

Julie
Rose

All your talk of poles James, I came across this!



Quote:


According to the Book of Exodus in the Bible, the staff used by Moses (called a rod in the King James Bible) was by his side throughout important milestones in the narrative. Amongst these milestone events or "miracles of the exodus" the Bible describes that the staff was used to produce water from a rock, was transformed into a snake and back, and was used at the parting of the Red Sea.[1] Whether or not Moses' staff was the same as that used by his brother Aaron (known as Aaron's rod) has been debated by rabbinical scholars.

The staff is first mentioned in the Book of Exodus (chapter 4, verse 2), when God appears to Moses in the burning bush. God asks what Moses has in his hand, and Moses answers "a staff" (in the KJV version). The staff is miraculously transformed into a snake and then back into a staff. The staff is thereafter referred to as the "rod of God" or "staff of God" (depending on the translation).

"And thou shalt take this rod in thine hand, wherewith thou shalt do signs". And Moses went and returned to Jethro his father in law, and said unto him, "Let me go, I pray thee, and return unto my brethren which are in Egypt, and see whether they be yet alive". And Jethro said to Moses, "Go in peace". And the LORD said unto Moses in Midian, "Go, return into Egypt: for all the men are dead which sought thy life". And Moses took his wife and his sons, and set them upon an ass, and he returned to the land of Egypt: and Moses took the rod of God in his hand. (KJV. Exodus chap. 4)

Moses and Aaron appear before the pharaoh when Aaron's rod is transformed into a serpent. The pharaoh's sorcerers are also able to transform their own rods into serpents, but Aaron's swallows them. Aaron's rod is again used to turn the Nile blood-red. It is used several times on God's command to initiate the plagues of Egypt.

During the Exodus, Moses stretches out his hand with the staff to part the Red Sea. While in the "wilderness" after leaving Egypt Moses follows God's command to strike a rock with the rod to create a spring for the Israelites to drink from. But Moses strikes the rock twice with the staff when the water does not immediately appear after the first strike. For striking the rock twice, implying lack of faith, God punished Moses by not letting him enter into the Promised Land (Numbers 20:12).

Finally, Moses uses the staff in the battle at Rephidim between the Israelites and the Amalekites. When he holds up the "rod of God" the Israelites "prevail", when he drops it their enemies gain the upper hand. Aaron and Hur help him to keep the staff raised until victory is achieved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staff_of_Moses


So if God objected so much to people wandering about with poles, why did he give Moses such a powerful one?

And how come Moses and the sorcerers went in for the "my rod does more than your rod"  thingy?

Sounds more like Gandalf out of LOTR



Julie
JamesJah

Where does the idea come from that Jesus died on a cross Rose?

Why would anyone want to venerate an instrument of torture?




Jim

Tomorrow night, as on every Good Friday, I will help erect a cross composed of two pieces of scrap wood, outside the church.
It won't be venerated, worshipped, bowed down to or anything else...it will stand as a reminder to all who passed of the God who died for us.

I wear a wooden cross next to my skin. It isn't magic, holy, endowed with anything (except thirty odd years of sweat stains).
It's made of Scotts pine, and carved on Iona.
It won't protect me in any way whatsoever - but I wear it daily as a constant reminder of what Christ did for me on Calvary - and that it is empty; that He rose bodily from the tomb as a sign of my ressurection.

Now, since He is the seal of the New Covenant, please stop wasting time by playing around with the Pentateuch as if you knew what you were talking about.
Jim

JamesJah wrote:
Where does the idea come from that Jesus died on a cross Rose?

Why would anyone want to venerate an instrument of torture?

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Not from Old Kingdom Egypt, James - so why post an image thereof?
You DO know that the netjeru below holds a basic 'waset' sceptre, representing judgemental authority in Amduat, don't you?


[img]http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/173683 3/Egypt+2.jpg[/img]
Jim

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Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
I'm not avoiding the Scriptures, James.
As a matter of fact, I preached on John 13, 18-30 last night.
I'm simply asking you, as a matter of courtesy, to respond to my points.
Is that concept beyond your understanding?



I do not have a problem with the dynasties of Egypt like you might have, but many Christians do have a problem with their relation ship with the most high, and the mediator of the new covenant

The reason for their lack of understanding, is having been indoctrinated by religious ideas adopted by those who have succumbed to the infiltration of ancient mythical religions of the past, which had in the past been shown to be something the a Almighty looks on with disdain.

One of the main ways of solving the Christians problem has been discovered to be getting back to what the bible teaches rather than what man teaches.

That is why this prophecy is something to take notice of in the last days.

Isaiah 2:2, 3
In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream.  And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.

1 Corinthians 4:6
Now, brothers, these things I have applied to myself and A·pollos for your good, that through us you may learn the rule:

Do not go beyond the things that are written,

so that you may not be puffed up with pride, favouring one against the other.
 

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I'd suggest that you are the one with the problems regarding Egypt, James - as amply demonstrated here and in your dismal attempt to cover up the fact of the WTBTS willful deception over 607 BC.
Oh, and indoctrination?
Since the WTBTS does not encourage people studying theology at university, they are the indoctrinated delusional ones.
Such an education, far from weakenung faith, strengthens it.
Can I suggest you abandon the proven deceivers in Brooklyn and become a Christian?


Where can I find Christians that preach the truth of Gods word today and not traditions of men?  
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How long have you got?
Try a Bible-believing church...that excludes any foundation created by occult pyramidiots.
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Are we in the time of the end?
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Not another prelude to a false parousia date....some of us are still laughing at 'Beth Sarim'.
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Have the kings had their day?
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I'm a Scottish republican. Does that answer your question?
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Has Jesus taken up his power to rile over mankind?  
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Since He has always been God, is God, and will always be God...YES...though not yet in the fullness of the Kingdom of Christ Jesus, God Incarnate.
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Which church has not been asleep to the times we live in?
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Mine for starters - the Christian Church, if you are in any doubt.
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When has man encourages faith in the scriptures and when have  you?[
-A) Every time we preach the Gospel.
B) Last night.
JamesJah

What is the object used to worship the Egyptian  god?



w87 8/15 p. 21 Is the Cross for Christians?
The Roman nature-god Bacchus was at times represented with a headband containing a number of crosses.

Why does the bible say he{Jesus} was hung on a tree?
JamesJah

So who is it still holding to Egyptian worship?

Russell did not worship any pyramids now did he?









w87 8/15 pp. 21-22 Is the Cross for Christians?
There is also little evidence that the type of cross Constantine “saw” really represented the instrument used to put Christ to death. Stamped on many coins Constantine subsequently had minted are X-shaped crosses with a “P” superimposed. (See illustration.) An

Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, by W. E. Vine, says: “As for the Chi, or X, which Constantine declared he had seen in a vision leading him to champion the Christian faith,

that letter was the initial of the word ‘Christ’ [in the Greek language] and had nothing to do with ‘the Cross, that is, as an instrument of execution. In fact, this style of cross is nearly identical to the pagan symbol for the sun.
Rose

JamesJah wrote:
What is the object used to worship the Egyptian  god?



w87 8/15 p. 21 Is the Cross for Christians?
The Roman nature-god Bacchus was at times represented with a headband containing a number of crosses.

Why does the bible say he{Jesus} was hung on a tree?


It doesn't!

He was crucified by the Romans, I'm not sure why they used a cross or if there was any symbolism in it for them!

I guess he was crucified in the Roman way, whatever that was at the time.

I don't see evidence that they used trees, but I could be wrong!

What does the historical evidence say?


Quote:


There were various methods of performing the execution. Usually, the condemned man, after being whipped, or “scourged,” dragged the crossbeam of his cross to the place of punishment, where the upright shaft was already fixed in the ground. Stripped of his clothing either then or earlier at his scourging, he was bound fast with outstretched arms to the crossbeam or nailed firmly to it through the wrists. The crossbeam was then raised high against the upright shaft and made fast to it about 9 to 12 feet (approximately 3 metres) from the ground. Next, the feet were tightly bound or nailed to the upright shaft. A ledge inserted about halfway up the upright shaft gave some support to the body; evidence for a similar ledge for the feet is rare and late. Over the criminal’s head was placed a notice stating his name and his crime. Death, apparently caused by exhaustion or by heart failure, could be hastened by shattering the legs (crurifragium) with an iron club, so that shock and asphyxiation soon ended his life.

Crucifixion was most frequently used to punish political or religious agitators, pirates, slaves, or those who had no civil rights. In 519 bce Darius I, king of Persia, crucified 3,000 political opponents in Babylon; in 88 bce Alexander Jannaeus, the Judaean king and high priest, crucified 800 Pharisaic opponents; and about 32 ce Pontius Pilate had Jesus of Nazareth put to death by crucifixion.


http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/144583/crucifixion




Horrible! 3000 people that's a lot!

Just seen something I didn't know!

Apparently according to this the Jews also practiced it



Quote:

Among Jews, crucifixion was occasionally practiced during the Hellenistic-Hasmonean period. The Sadducean high priest, Alexander Janneus (in office 103–76 b.c.), had 800 Pharisees crucified and ordered their wives and children to be slaughtered before their eyes as they hung dying (Joseph. Ant 13 §380–83; JW 1 §97–98). According to Jewish law, the corpses of executed idolaters and blasphemers were hanged on a tree to show that they were accursed by God (Deut 21:22–23). In pre-Christian Palestine this text of Deuteronomy was applied to those who died by crucifixion, as the pesher of Nahum from Qumran Cave 4 shows. Another Qumran document (11QTemple 64:6–13) also connects Deuteronomy 21:23 with crucifixion, which was apparently an Essene punishment for some very serious crimes.

http://www.errantskeptics.org/CrucifixionNotes.htm


Sometimes I am glad I am alive nowadays and not then. Horrible things happen now but we hear every one. All over the world via news and TV.

I think they happened a lot more in those days!

Julie
Jim

What the deuce has the ankh got to do with crucifixion, James?
In origin, it was a sandal strap used as a heiroglyph symbolising life.
The very word 'ankh' simply MEANS life; hence Nebkheperure Tutankhamun - 'Tutankhamun' translating as 'living image of Amun'.
It was not an object of worship.
I've even excavated at Tanis, where I've helped uncover several ostraca which have ankhs on them.
Yes, in symbology, it was combined with the Cross (not the NWT stake) to form a Coptic, and evolved into a Celtic, cross, a glass example of which stands on my unit as I type.

And, no - Russel did not worship pyramids...he just lied about the calculations he invented to make his 'second Bible in stone'.
A sect founded by a proven liar, James, has nothing of Christ in it.
JamesJah

Rose wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
What is the object used to worship the Egyptian  god?



w87 8/15 p. 21 Is the Cross for Christians?
The Roman nature-god Bacchus was at times represented with a headband containing a number of crosses.

Why does the bible say he{Jesus} was hung on a tree?


It doesn't!

He was crucified by the Romans, I'm not sure why they used a cross or if there was any symbolism in it for them!

I guess he was crucified in the Roman way, whatever that was at the time.

I don't see evidence that they used trees, but I could be wrong!

What does the historical evidence say?


Quote:


There were various methods of performing the execution. Usually, the condemned man, after being whipped, or “scourged,” dragged the crossbeam of his cross to the place of punishment, where the upright shaft was already fixed in the ground. Stripped of his clothing either then or earlier at his scourging, he was bound fast with outstretched arms to the crossbeam or nailed firmly to it through the wrists. The crossbeam was then raised high against the upright shaft and made fast to it about 9 to 12 feet (approximately 3 metres) from the ground. Next, the feet were tightly bound or nailed to the upright shaft. A ledge inserted about halfway up the upright shaft gave some support to the body; evidence for a similar ledge for the feet is rare and late. Over the criminal’s head was placed a notice stating his name and his crime. Death, apparently caused by exhaustion or by heart failure, could be hastened by shattering the legs (crurifragium) with an iron club, so that shock and asphyxiation soon ended his life.

Crucifixion was most frequently used to punish political or religious agitators, pirates, slaves, or those who had no civil rights. In 519 bce Darius I, king of Persia, crucified 3,000 political opponents in Babylon; in 88 bce Alexander Jannaeus, the Judaean king and high priest, crucified 800 Pharisaic opponents; and about 32 ce Pontius Pilate had Jesus of Nazareth put to death by crucifixion.


http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/144583/crucifixion




Horrible! 3000 people that's a lot!

Just seen something I didn't know!

Apparently according to this the Jews also practiced it



Quote:

Among Jews, crucifixion was occasionally practiced during the Hellenistic-Hasmonean period. The Sadducean high priest, Alexander Janneus (in office 103–76 b.c.), had 800 Pharisees crucified and ordered their wives and children to be slaughtered before their eyes as they hung dying (Joseph. Ant 13 §380–83; JW 1 §97–98). According to Jewish law, the corpses of executed idolaters and blasphemers were hanged on a tree to show that they were accursed by God (Deut 21:22–23). In pre-Christian Palestine this text of Deuteronomy was applied to those who died by crucifixion, as the pesher of Nahum from Qumran Cave 4 shows. Another Qumran document (11QTemple 64:6–13) also connects Deuteronomy 21:23 with crucifixion, which was apparently an Essene punishment for some very serious crimes.

http://www.errantskeptics.org/CrucifixionNotes.htm


Sometimes I am glad I am alive nowadays and not then. Horrible things happen now but we hear every one. All over the world via news and TV.

I think they happened a lot more in those days!

Julie


Nailing the hands and feet to a cross is not a sound exercise as the weight of the body would pull itself off the nails.

Survival on the torture stake depended on the person being able to raise himself up so that he could continue to breath, one of the reason the legs of the thieves each side of Jesus had their legs broken so that they would suffocate and die quickly.

The Assyrians used to drive the stake through the body.


John 19:31-33
Since it was the day of Preparation, so that the bodies would not remain on the torture stakes on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath day was a great one),

the Jews asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken away. So the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first man and those of the other man who was on a stake alongside him.

But on coming to Jesus, they saw that he was already dead, so they did not break his legs.
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
What the deuce has the ankh got to do with crucifixion, James?
In origin, it was a sandal strap used as a heiroglyph symbolising life.
The very word 'ankh' simply MEANS life; hence Nebkheperure Tutankhamun - 'Tutankhamun' translating as 'living image of Amun'.
It was not an object of worship.
I've even excavated at Tanis, where I've helped uncover several ostraca which have ankhs on them.
Yes, in symbology, it was combined with the Cross (not the NWT stake) to form a Coptic, and evolved into a Celtic, cross, a glass example of which stands on my unit as I type.

And, no - Russel did not worship pyramids...he just lied about the calculations he invented to make his 'second Bible in stone'.
A sect founded by a proven liar, James, has nothing of Christ in it.


It was a sex object depicting the male and female organs, what's the point?
Jim

JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
What the deuce has the ankh got to do with crucifixion, James?
In origin, it was a sandal strap used as a heiroglyph symbolising life.
The very word 'ankh' simply MEANS life; hence Nebkheperure Tutankhamun - 'Tutankhamun' translating as 'living image of Amun'.
It was not an object of worship.
I've even excavated at Tanis, where I've helped uncover several ostraca which have ankhs on them.
Yes, in symbology, it was combined with the Cross (not the NWT stake) to form a Coptic, and evolved into a Celtic, cross, a glass example of which stands on my unit as I type.

And, no - Russel did not worship pyramids...he just lied about the calculations he invented to make his 'second Bible in stone'.
A sect founded by a proven liar, James, has nothing of Christ in it.


It was a sex object depicting the male and female organs, what's the point?
 


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Trash, James.
The first occurance of the ankh as a heiroglyph was found as early as the dynasty 1 tomb of Djer...on a docket from a wine jar bearing the name Hor-ankhet (applying to a weman of whom we know nothing.
Your ignorance of the origin of the Egyptian language is on a par with that of that other false prophet, Joseph Smith, and his reformed Egyptian tripe.
Can I refer you to the following volumes, both of which I found invaluable?
1 Champollion's "Translations ieroglyphique",
And J.H. Breasted's remarkable four volume
"Origins, iconography, evolution and decyphering of Classic Egyptian, 3100-330 BC".
JamesJah

My books are comprehensive and reliable thanks.

Try a trip to the British Museum one day it will be an eye opener for you.



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Jim

JamesJah wrote:
My books are comprehensive and reliable thanks.

Try a trip to the British Museum one day it will be an eye opener for you.



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Funny you should say that, James.
I was very fortunate in being granted a brilliant opportunity to work behind the scenes at the British Museum only last month (the first week in March); as part of the diploma course in Egyptology run through the OU and Liverpool Universities.
I was privileged to handle certain artefacts, take part in conservation work, and, after closing time,the other two students and myself were allowed to handle and examine certain exhibits on display in the public galleriees.
One of the lecturers who accompanied us, author Nicholas Reeves (google him, he has a very extensive bibliography and great experience both as an excavator and curator) showed me that very docket from dyn 1 - excavated by the great W.M. Flinders Petrie, no less.
As part of my course, I had to translate it...Nicholas confirmed that my translation was accurate.
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
My books are comprehensive and reliable thanks.

Try a trip to the British Museum one day it will be an eye opener for you.



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Funny you should say that, James.
I was very fortunate in being granted a brilliant opportunity to work behind the scenes at the British Museum only last month (the first week in March); as part of the diploma course in Egyptology run through the OU and Liverpool Universities.
I was privileged to handle certain artefacts, take part in conservation work, and, after closing time,the other two students and myself were allowed to handle and examine certain exhibits on display in the public galleriees.
One of the lecturers who accompanied us, author Nicholas Reeves (google him, he has a very extensive bibliography and great experience both as an excavator and curator) showed me that very docket from dyn 1 - excavated by the great W.M. Flinders Petrie, no less.
As part of my course, I had to translate it...Nicholas confirmed that my translation was accurate.


How fortunate you will be rubbing shoulders with quite a few JW's there as they conduct their history of the bible land proved in stone and all the other tires they do.

You might need to catch up on your Mandarin as the Chinese also like to keep up with the real world.

have you tried finding out what the law of the Christ is yet?
Jim

JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
My books are comprehensive and reliable thanks.

Try a trip to the British Museum one day it will be an eye opener for you.



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Funny you should say that, James.
I was very fortunate in being granted a brilliant opportunity to work behind the scenes at the British Museum only last month (the first week in March); as part of the diploma course in Egyptology run through the OU and Liverpool Universities.
I was privileged to handle certain artefacts, take part in conservation work, and, after closing time,the other two students and myself were allowed to handle and examine certain exhibits on display in the public galleriees.
One of the lecturers who accompanied us, author Nicholas Reeves (google him, he has a very extensive bibliography and great experience both as an excavator and curator) showed me that very docket from dyn 1 - excavated by the great W.M. Flinders Petrie, no less.
As part of my course, I had to translate it...Nicholas confirmed that my translation was accurate.


How fortunate you will be rubbing shoulders with quite a few JW's there as they conduct their history of the bible land proved in stone and all the other tires they do.

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Well, I was fortunate to avoid them, James. There's nothing worse than a so-called historian armed with a Bible in one hand and rose-tinted specs in the other, determined to fit the real history into their perception of what hiatory should be.
The dire deceptions of the JW lie factory concerning 607 BC should have told you that.
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You might need to catch up on your Mandarin as the Chinese also like to keep up with the real world.
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Wot the heck does Chinese have to do with copper/bronze age Egypt?
Or, indeed, Scripture, for that matter.
However, I know Jackie Pullinger-To (Read 'chasing the Dragon') and the remarkable work in which she has been used to bless thousands in China.
The concluding effort to evade the topic (shown below) is typical diversionary tactics, and therefore can be ignored.
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have you tried finding out what  the law of the Christ is yet?
JamesJah

I am not surprised you have not by the way you post but I had to ask to see if you are just wilfully that way Jim.

The law of the Christ  
Leonard James

JamesJah wrote:
I am not surprised you have not by the way you post but I had to ask to see if you are just wilfully that way Jim.

The law of the Christ  


Love God and love your neighbour.
JamesJah

Leonard James wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
I am not surprised you have not by the way you post but I had to ask to see if you are just wilfully that way Jim.

The law of the Christ  


Love God and love your neighbour.


That is almost there why leave out the sit as ourselves?

And love ones enemies, how many who claim they are Christian are able to do that?
Leonard James

JamesJah wrote:

That is almost there why leave out the sit as ourselves?


Because loving yourself is a tad conceited, don't you think?

Quote:
And love ones enemies, how many who claim they are Christian are able to do that?


It is a foolish edict ... nobody can love to order, and I'm sure that is not what Jesus meant. He meant we should treat enemies fairly rather than retaliating with like for like.
JamesJah

Leonard James wrote:
JamesJah wrote:

That is almost there why leave out the sit as ourselves?


Because loving yourself is a tad conceited, don't you think?

Quote:
And love ones enemies, how many who claim they are Christian are able to do that?


It is a foolish edict ... nobody can love to order, and I'm sure that is not what Jesus meant. He meant we should treat enemies fairly rather than retaliating with like for like.


Who do you think should come first in life?
Lexilogio

Leonard James wrote:
JamesJah wrote:

That is almost there why leave out the sit as ourselves?


Because loving yourself is a tad conceited, don't you think?

Quote:
And love ones enemies, how many who claim they are Christian are able to do that?


It is a foolish edict ... nobody can love to order, and I'm sure that is not what Jesus meant. He meant we should treat enemies fairly rather than retaliating with like for like.


No, but I think he meant we should focus on trying to lead with love at all times, rather than lead with anger and hate.

To be honest, I think that is the focus of most religions - we should aim to make our reactions to be based in love.

It is actually remarkably difficult to do - particularly with those who rile us.
JamesJah

Lexilogio wrote:
Leonard James wrote:
JamesJah wrote:

That is almost there why leave out the sit as ourselves?


Because loving yourself is a tad conceited, don't you think?

Quote:
And love ones enemies, how many who claim they are Christian are able to do that?


It is a foolish edict ... nobody can love to order, and I'm sure that is not what Jesus meant. He meant we should treat enemies fairly rather than retaliating with like for like.


No, but I think he meant we should focus on trying to lead with love at all times, rather than lead with anger and hate.

To be honest, I think that is the focus of most religions - we should aim to make our reactions to be based in love.

It is actually remarkably difficult to do - particularly with those who rile us.


It is in those cases when it counts the most.

That is why the work Jesus gave Christians to perform help them cultivate the fruits of the spirit, do you know what they are?
Leonard James

JamesJah wrote:
Leonard James wrote:
JamesJah wrote:

That is almost there why leave out the sit as ourselves?


Because loving yourself is a tad conceited, don't you think?

Quote:
And love ones enemies, how many who claim they are Christian are able to do that?


It is a foolish edict ... nobody can love to order, and I'm sure that is not what Jesus meant. He meant we should treat enemies fairly rather than retaliating with like for like.


Who do you think should come first in life?


What do you mean by "come first"? In what situation?
Leonard James

Lexilogio wrote:


No, but I think he meant we should focus on trying to lead with love at all times, rather than lead with anger and hate.


Obviously! You can't treat enemies justly if you allow anger and hate to dictate your actions. But love is too strong a word to be bandied about to mean "treat fairly". I repeat, nobody can love to order ... love has to be earned.

Quote:
To be honest, I think that is the focus of most religions - we should aim to make our reactions to be based in love.

It is actually remarkably difficult to do - particularly with those who rile us.


Of course it is, because love is something more than being just, and anybody who professes to love somebody without that somebody having done anything to gain love is cheapening the word.
JMC

Lexilogio wrote:

No, but I think he meant we should focus on trying to lead with love at all times, rather than lead with anger and hate.

To be honest, I think that is the focus of most religions - we should aim to make our reactions to be based in love.

It is actually remarkably difficult to do - particularly with those who rile us.


It is indeed, but this is the right time of the year to learn about it!

Quote:
He Who clothes Himself in Light as in a garment, stood naked at the judgement; on His cheek He received blows from the hands which He had formed.
(from the Good Friday hymns of matins)


Love is a verb, something we do (or choose not to do), and the meaning of love is sacrifice, because "greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." And as the hymn above describes, Jesus laid down His life willingly for those Who abused and mocked Him.
JamesJah

Leonard James wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Leonard James wrote:
JamesJah wrote:

That is almost there why leave out the sit as ourselves?


Because loving yourself is a tad conceited, don't you think?

Quote:
And love ones enemies, how many who claim they are Christian are able to do that?


It is a foolish edict ... nobody can love to order, and I'm sure that is not what Jesus meant. He meant we should treat enemies fairly rather than retaliating with like for like.


Who do you think should come first in life?


What do you mean by "come first"? In what situation?


Just simple things like who should have the largest slice of the cream cake?
JamesJah

Is not principled love something that Jesus tried to show humans what is was so that they could learn what it is?

Humans have no idea of some things until they have been shown, even then most prefer the easy way out do they not?

Who knows what the work was that Christians had been given that would teach them the fruits of the spirit?


Romans 8:4-6
so that the righteous requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who walk, not according to the flesh, but according to the spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the spirit, on the things of the spirit. For setting the mind on the flesh means death, but setting the mind on the spirit means life and peace;
Jim

This from a member of a group of mind robbers with the disgusting "disfellowshipping" as an example of love?
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
This from a member of a group of mind robbers with the disgusting "disfellowshipping" as an example of love?




So more or your anti Christian beliefs coming to the for are they?

No wonder you have not noticed Christ's presence.

Have you never heard a little leaven ferments the whole lump?


(1 Corinthians 5:11-13
But now I am writing you to stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, while God judges those outside? “

Remove the wicked person from among yourselves.
Jim

JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
This from a member of a group of mind robbers with the disgusting "disfellowshipping" as an example of love?




So more or your anti Christian beliefs coming to the for are they?

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No.
Anti JW beliefs, not anti-Christian beliefs.
Happy to correct you.
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No wonder you have not noticed Christ's presence.  

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And your evidence (which could not be further from the truth, BTW) is?

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Have you never heard a little leaven ferments the whole lump?
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Yes,
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(1 Corinthians 5:11-13
But now I am writing you to stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, while God judges those outside? “
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OK.
Wots that got to do with Christians being opposed to JW heresies?
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Remove the wicked person from among yourselves.


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Amen!
Byeeeee!
JamesJah

So far we have only you home made ideas to go by about JW's who are doing the will of God when in reality you have no idea what the will of God is have you?

So we have so far your acceptance of any type of person like the Popes accept them rather than removing the wicked man from your midst, this looks like to me, that it is you that has the problem, and certainly not the ones you keep making false accusations about.

So what is it you have to offer the world better than what the bible offers?
Jim

[quote="JamesJah:115363"]So far we have only you home made ideas to go by about JW's who are doing the will of God when in reality you have no idea what the will of God is have you?
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Yes.
Glad you asked, though.
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So we have so far your acceptance of any type of person like the Popes accept them rather than removing the wicked man from your midst, this looks like to me, that it is you that has the problem, and certainly not the ones you keep making false accusations about.  

"He who comes to Me, I will never turn away".

I couldn't give a monkeys which church a person goes to, or whether or not he accepts Papal authority - though I don't.
What matters is a person's accepting Christ Jesus, God Incarnate, as Lord and Saviour.
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So what is it you have to offer the world better than what the bible offers?
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Accept Christ Jesus, God Incarnate, as your personal Lord, Saviour, God and friend.
The rest is just the start.

Simples.
JamesJah

[quote="Jim:115364"]
JamesJah wrote:
So far we have only you home made ideas to go by about JW's who are doing the will of God when in reality you have no idea what the will of God is have you?
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Yes.
Glad you asked, though.
-

So we have so far your acceptance of any type of person like the Popes accept them rather than removing the wicked man from your midst, this looks like to me, that it is you that has the problem, and certainly not the ones you keep making false accusations about.  

"He who comes to Me, I will never turn away".

I couldn't give a monkeys which church a person goes to, or whether or not he accepts Papal authority - though I don't.
What matters is a person's accepting Christ Jesus, God Incarnate, as Lord and Saviour.
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So what is it you have to offer the world better than what the bible offers?
-

Accept Christ Jesus, God Incarnate, as your personal Lord, Saviour, God and friend.
The rest is just the start.

Simples.


What about Jesus God and saviour?
Jim

What about Him?
He is my Saviour and Lord, the centre of my life, my God and King.
Farmer Geddon

I'm guessing they are getting off on "Jesus Porn" - AKA The Jesus snuff movie.. in their own heads of course..

The rest of us are celebrating the birth of new life, like we did before the 'Jesus' concept.

Why celebrate the execution of a terrorist and his body snatchers??
Jim

Farmer Geddon wrote:
I'm guessing they are getting off on "Jesus Porn" - AKA The Jesus snuff movie.. in their own heads of course..

The rest of us are celebrating the birth of new life, like we did before the 'Jesus' concept.  
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Wot "jesus, concept"?
Been buying into the so-called Jesus Seminar again, FG?
As for the rest?
Does not compute.
Reboot and try again!
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Why celebrate the execution of a  terrorist and his body snatchers??
JamesJah

Galatians 5:19-26
Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, idolatry, spiritism, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and things like these. I am forewarning you about these things, the same way I already warned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom.

On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires. If we are living by spirit, let us also go on walking orderly by spirit. Let us not become egotistical, stirring up competition with one another, envying one another.
JamesJah

New international version

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.

New Living Translation

But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

English standard version
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”


The American standard version
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us-- for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE "--


http://biblehub.com/galatians/3-13.htm
Jim

JamesJah wrote:
New international version

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.

New Living Translation

But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

English standard version
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”  


Crux simplex.


The American standard version
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us-- for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE "--


http://biblehub.com/galatians/3-13.htm
JamesJah

Bit wet for a Happy Easter is it not?

Does the Almighty approve of what has happened to the memory of his sons death?
Jim

[quote="JamesJah:115662"]Bit wet for a Happy Easter is it not?

Does the Almighty approve of what has happened to the memory of  his sons death?


-Fantastic day today...sun splitting the skies here.
And since Christ is God Incarnate, your point is, as usual, moot.
JamesJah

[quote="Jim:115665"]
JamesJah wrote:
Bit wet for a Happy Easter is it not?

Does the Almighty approve of what has happened to the memory of  his sons death?


-Fantastic day today...sun splitting the skies here.
And since Christ is God Incarnate, your point is, as usual, moot.


A god, a mighty god, but not the Almighty God ruler of the universe as some seem to want to teach, do they not?

Discovered yet who the lamb marries?
Jim

[quote="JamesJah:115682"]
Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Bit wet for a Happy Easter is it not?

Does the Almighty approve of what has happened to the memory of  his sons death?


-Fantastic day today...sun splitting the skies here.
And since Christ is God Incarnate, your point is, as usual, moot.


A god, a mighty god, but not the Almighty God ruler of the universe as some seem to want to teach, do they not?
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I can't help it if the WTBTS are polytheist.
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Discovered yet who the lamb marries?

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Us!
JamesJah

[quote="Jim:115725"]
JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Bit wet for a Happy Easter is it not?

Does the Almighty approve of what has happened to the memory of  his sons death?


-Fantastic day today...sun splitting the skies here.
And since Christ is God Incarnate, your point is, as usual, moot.


A god, a mighty god, but not the Almighty God ruler of the universe as some seem to want to teach, do they not?
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I can't help it if the WTBTS are polytheist.
-


Discovered yet who the lamb marries?

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Us!


How does that affect your relationship with the Father?
Jim

[quote="JamesJah:115735"][quote="Jim:115725"]
JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Bit wet for a Happy Easter is it not?

Does the Almighty approve of what has happened to the memory of  his sons death?


-Fantastic day today...sun splitting the skies here.
And since Christ is God Incarnate, your point is, as usual, moot.


A god, a mighty god, but not the Almighty God ruler of the universe as some seem to want to teach, do they not?
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I can't help it if the WTBTS are polytheist.
-


Discovered yet who the lamb marries?

-
Us!


How does that affect your relationship with the Father?


As paul says:
"Nothing can separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus!"
JamesJah

[quote="Jim:115736"][quote="JamesJah:115735"]
Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Bit wet for a Happy Easter is it not?

Does the Almighty approve of what has happened to the memory of  his sons death?


-Fantastic day today...sun splitting the skies here.
And since Christ is God Incarnate, your point is, as usual, moot.


A god, a mighty god, but not the Almighty God ruler of the universe as some seem to want to teach, do they not?
-
I can't help it if the WTBTS are polytheist.
-


Discovered yet who the lamb marries?

-
Us!


How does that affect your relationship with the Father?


As paul says:
"Nothing can separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus!"


So how come Christ has the wife does that not unbalance your triune  God-ship?
Jim

[quote="JamesJah:115816"][quote="Jim:115736"]
JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Bit wet for a Happy Easter is it not?

Does the Almighty approve of what has happened to the memory of  his sons death?


-Fantastic day today...sun splitting the skies here.
And since Christ is God Incarnate, your point is, as usual, moot.


A god, a mighty god, but not the Almighty God ruler of the universe as some seem to want to teach, do they not?
-
I can't help it if the WTBTS are polytheist.
-


Discovered yet who the lamb marries?

-
Us!


How does that affect your relationship with the Father?


As paul says:
"Nothing can separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus!"


So how come Christ has the wife does that not unbalance your triune  God-ship?
 

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Eh?
Since when was the church a god - or even God, James?
JamesJah

[quote="Jim:115842"][quote="JamesJah:115816"]
Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Bit wet for a Happy Easter is it not?

Does the Almighty approve of what has happened to the memory of  his sons death?


-Fantastic day today...sun splitting the skies here.
And since Christ is God Incarnate, your point is, as usual, moot.


A god, a mighty god, but not the Almighty God ruler of the universe as some seem to want to teach, do they not?
-
I can't help it if the WTBTS are polytheist.
-


Discovered yet who the lamb marries?

-
Us!


How does that affect your relationship with the Father?


As paul says:
"Nothing can separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus!"


So how come Christ has the wife does that not unbalance your triune  God-ship?
 

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Eh?
Since when was the church a god - or even God, James?


You miss my point do you not?

Only one god gets to marry the bride do they not?

Bit like one of them having seven spirits is it not kind of detracts from an idea of a triune arrangement does it not?
Jim

[quote="JamesJah:115855"][quote="Jim:115842"]
JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Bit wet for a Happy Easter is it not?

Does the Almighty approve of what has happened to the memory of  his sons death?


-Fantastic day today...sun splitting the skies here.
And since Christ is God Incarnate, your point is, as usual, moot.


A god, a mighty god, but not the Almighty God ruler of the universe as some seem to want to teach, do they not?
-
I can't help it if the WTBTS are polytheist.
-


Discovered yet who the lamb marries?

-
Us!


How does that affect your relationship with the Father?


As paul says:
"Nothing can separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus!"


So how come Christ has the wife does that not unbalance your triune  God-ship?
 

-

Eh?
Since when was the church a god - or even God, James?


You miss my point do you not?

Only one god gets to marry the bride do they not?

Bit like one of them having seven spirits is it not kind of detracts from an idea of a triune arrangement does it not?


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Why, since there IS only ONE God?
JamesJah

[quote="Jim:115871"][quote="JamesJah:115855"]
Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Jim wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Bit wet for a Happy Easter is it not?

Does the Almighty approve of what has happened to the memory of  his sons death?


-Fantastic day today...sun splitting the skies here.
And since Christ is God Incarnate, your point is, as usual, moot.


A god, a mighty god, but not the Almighty God ruler of the universe as some seem to want to teach, do they not?
-
I can't help it if the WTBTS are polytheist.
-


Discovered yet who the lamb marries?

-
Us!


How does that affect your relationship with the Father?


As paul says:
"Nothing can separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus!"


So how come Christ has the wife does that not unbalance your triune  God-ship?
 

-

Eh?
Since when was the church a god - or even God, James?


You miss my point do you not?

Only one god gets to marry the bride do they not?

Bit like one of them having seven spirits is it not kind of detracts from an idea of a triune arrangement does it not?


-

Why, since there IS only ONE God?


Then who is it that the son subjects himself to at the end of the thousand year reign?

1 Corinthians 15:25-28
.For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. For God “subjected all things under his feet”

But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected, it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him

 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/


Interesting link James

Lets begin with the WTBTS teaching from the link you have provided

What is a Soul ?

Quote:

The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew word ne′phesh and the Greek word psy·khe′. The Hebrew word literally means “a creature that breathes,” and the Greek word means “a living being.” * The soul, then, is the entire creature, not something inside that survives the death of the body. Consider how the Bible shows that the human soul is the whole person:


Now James, before we go on to examine the WTBTS teaching on What is the Resurrection, given by the same link you provided, a simple question for you.

The soul, whose name in the NWT is Jesus, who said to Mary.

John 20 NWT
17  Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

is that the same soul who was executed and laid in the tomb at the end of Nisan 14 ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/


Interesting link James

Lets begin with the WTBTS teaching from the link you have provided

What is a Soul ?

Quote:

The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew word ne′phesh and the Greek word psy·khe′. The Hebrew word literally means “a creature that breathes,” and the Greek word means “a living being.” * The soul, then, is the entire creature, not something inside that survives the death of the body. Consider how the Bible shows that the human soul is the whole person:


Now James, before we go on to examine the WTBTS teaching on What is the Resurrection, given by the same link you provided, a simple question for you.

The soul, whose name in the NWT is Jesus, who said to Mary.

John 20 NWT
17  Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

is that the same soul who was executed and laid in the tomb at the end of Nisan 14 ?

Regards

LeClerc


How could it be as flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom can it?

Or do you take scripture seriously?

1 Corinthians 15:50-53
.But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit in corruption. Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on in corruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/


Interesting link James

Lets begin with the WTBTS teaching from the link you have provided

What is a Soul ?

Quote:

The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew word ne′phesh and the Greek word psy·khe′. The Hebrew word literally means “a creature that breathes,” and the Greek word means “a living being.” * The soul, then, is the entire creature, not something inside that survives the death of the body. Consider how the Bible shows that the human soul is the whole person:


Now James, before we go on to examine the WTBTS teaching on What is the Resurrection, given by the same link you provided, a simple question for you.

The soul, whose name in the NWT is Jesus, who said to Mary.

John 20 NWT
17  Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

is that the same soul who was executed and laid in the tomb at the end of Nisan 14 ?

Regards

LeClerc


How could it be as flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom can it?

Or do you take scripture seriously?

1 Corinthians 15:50-53
.But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit in corruption. Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on in corruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality.


Very seriously James.

The flesh and blood which Paul is referring too is corrupted flesh and blood, corrupted by sin.

Y'shua never sinned or are you saying The Messiah was not perfect ?

Now James

Quote:

21 After Armageddon, mankind will be under just one government, God’s Kingdom.


Mankind, after Armegeddon, who are under one government, God's kingdom, where will this mankind reside James ?

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/


Interesting link James

Lets begin with the WTBTS teaching from the link you have provided

What is a Soul ?

Quote:

The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew word ne′phesh and the Greek word psy·khe′. The Hebrew word literally means “a creature that breathes,” and the Greek word means “a living being.” * The soul, then, is the entire creature, not something inside that survives the death of the body. Consider how the Bible shows that the human soul is the whole person:


Now James, before we go on to examine the WTBTS teaching on What is the Resurrection, given by the same link you provided, a simple question for you.

The soul, whose name in the NWT is Jesus, who said to Mary.

John 20 NWT
17  Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

is that the same soul who was executed and laid in the tomb at the end of Nisan 14 ?

Regards

LeClerc


How could it be as flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom can it?

Or do you take scripture seriously?

1 Corinthians 15:50-53
.But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit in corruption. Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on in corruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality.


Very seriously James.

The flesh and blood which Paul is referring too is corrupted flesh and blood, corrupted by sin.

Y'shua never sinned or are you saying The Messiah was not perfect ?

Now James

Quote:

21 After Armageddon, mankind will be under just one government, God’s Kingdom.


Mankind, after Armegeddon, who are under one government, God's kingdom, where will this mankind reside James ?

Regards

LeClerc


You should have a proper bible study so as to get all your bits and pieces in their right places.

If you check your scriptures you will find Gods new kingdom is heavenly mount Zion made up of the bride of specially chosen anointed earthly one who have been faithful till death, with here virgin companions that are looking forward to the mirage after the bride groom has vanquished suntan an those that apposes the kingdom  at Armageddon.

Did you memorialize Jesus death as he requested or did you find it just OK to follow tradition?
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/


Interesting link James

Lets begin with the WTBTS teaching from the link you have provided

What is a Soul ?

Quote:

The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew word ne′phesh and the Greek word psy·khe′. The Hebrew word literally means “a creature that breathes,” and the Greek word means “a living being.” * The soul, then, is the entire creature, not something inside that survives the death of the body. Consider how the Bible shows that the human soul is the whole person:


Now James, before we go on to examine the WTBTS teaching on What is the Resurrection, given by the same link you provided, a simple question for you.

The soul, whose name in the NWT is Jesus, who said to Mary.

John 20 NWT
17  Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

is that the same soul who was executed and laid in the tomb at the end of Nisan 14 ?

Regards

LeClerc


How could it be as flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom can it?

Or do you take scripture seriously?

1 Corinthians 15:50-53
.But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit in corruption. Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on in corruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality.


Very seriously James.

The flesh and blood which Paul is referring too is corrupted flesh and blood, corrupted by sin.

Y'shua never sinned or are you saying The Messiah was not perfect ?

Now James

Quote:

21 After Armageddon, mankind will be under just one government, God’s Kingdom.


Mankind, after Armegeddon, who are under one government, God's kingdom, where will this mankind reside James ?

Regards

LeClerc


You should have a proper bible study so as to get all your bits and pieces in their right places.

If you check your scriptures you will find Gods new kingdom is heavenly mount Zion made up of the bride of specially chosen anointed earthly one who have been faithful till death, with here virgin companions that are looking forward to the mirage after the bride groom has vanquished suntan an those that apposes the kingdom  at Armageddon.

Did you memorialize Jesus death as he requested or did you find it just OK to follow tradition?


Where will those, on the King's right, who inherit the Kingdom, reside James ?

Matthew 25
34  “Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world.

Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/


Interesting link James

Lets begin with the WTBTS teaching from the link you have provided

What is a Soul ?

Quote:

The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew word ne′phesh and the Greek word psy·khe′. The Hebrew word literally means “a creature that breathes,” and the Greek word means “a living being.” * The soul, then, is the entire creature, not something inside that survives the death of the body. Consider how the Bible shows that the human soul is the whole person:


Now James, before we go on to examine the WTBTS teaching on What is the Resurrection, given by the same link you provided, a simple question for you.

The soul, whose name in the NWT is Jesus, who said to Mary.

John 20 NWT
17  Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

is that the same soul who was executed and laid in the tomb at the end of Nisan 14 ?

Regards

LeClerc


How could it be as flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom can it?

Or do you take scripture seriously?

1 Corinthians 15:50-53
.But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit in corruption. Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on in corruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality.


Very seriously James.

The flesh and blood which Paul is referring too is corrupted flesh and blood, corrupted by sin.

Y'shua never sinned or are you saying The Messiah was not perfect ?

Now James

Quote:

21 After Armageddon, mankind will be under just one government, God’s Kingdom.


Mankind, after Armegeddon, who are under one government, God's kingdom, where will this mankind reside James ?

Regards

LeClerc


You should have a proper bible study so as to get all your bits and pieces in their right places.

If you check your scriptures you will find Gods new kingdom is heavenly mount Zion made up of the bride of specially chosen anointed earthly one who have been faithful till death, with here virgin companions that are looking forward to the mirage after the bride groom has vanquished suntan an those that apposes the kingdom  at Armageddon.

Did you memorialize Jesus death as he requested or did you find it just OK to follow tradition?


Where will those, on the King's right, who inherit the Kingdom, reside James ?

Matthew 25
34  “Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world.

Regards

LeClerc



Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, idolatry, spiritism, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and things like these. I am forewarning you about these things, the same way I already warned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom.

Galatians 5:22-26
On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires. If we are living by spirit, let us also go on walking orderly by spirit. Let us not become egotistical, stirring up competition with one another, envying one another.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/


Interesting link James

Lets begin with the WTBTS teaching from the link you have provided

What is a Soul ?

Quote:

The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew word ne′phesh and the Greek word psy·khe′. The Hebrew word literally means “a creature that breathes,” and the Greek word means “a living being.” * The soul, then, is the entire creature, not something inside that survives the death of the body. Consider how the Bible shows that the human soul is the whole person:


Now James, before we go on to examine the WTBTS teaching on What is the Resurrection, given by the same link you provided, a simple question for you.

The soul, whose name in the NWT is Jesus, who said to Mary.

John 20 NWT
17  Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

is that the same soul who was executed and laid in the tomb at the end of Nisan 14 ?

Regards

LeClerc


How could it be as flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom can it?

Or do you take scripture seriously?

1 Corinthians 15:50-53
.But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit in corruption. Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on in corruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality.


Very seriously James.

The flesh and blood which Paul is referring too is corrupted flesh and blood, corrupted by sin.

Y'shua never sinned or are you saying The Messiah was not perfect ?

Now James

Quote:

21 After Armageddon, mankind will be under just one government, God’s Kingdom.


Mankind, after Armegeddon, who are under one government, God's kingdom, where will this mankind reside James ?

Regards

LeClerc


You should have a proper bible study so as to get all your bits and pieces in their right places.

If you check your scriptures you will find Gods new kingdom is heavenly mount Zion made up of the bride of specially chosen anointed earthly one who have been faithful till death, with here virgin companions that are looking forward to the mirage after the bride groom has vanquished suntan an those that apposes the kingdom  at Armageddon.

Did you memorialize Jesus death as he requested or did you find it just OK to follow tradition?


Where will those, on the King's right, who inherit the Kingdom, reside James ?

Matthew 25
34  “Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world.

Regards

LeClerc



Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, idolatry, spiritism, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and things like these. I am forewarning you about these things, the same way I already warned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom.

Galatians 5:22-26
On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires. If we are living by spirit, let us also go on walking orderly by spirit. Let us not become egotistical, stirring up competition with one another, envying one another.


Thank you for that James.

So those who inherit God's kingdom are those referred to by the WTBTS as the following.

Quote:

This later resurrection will be to life on earth, which the vast majority of those brought back to life will enjoy.

and

while those resurrected to life on earth receive a healthy physical body, completely sound.


Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/


Interesting link James

Lets begin with the WTBTS teaching from the link you have provided

What is a Soul ?

Quote:

The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew word ne′phesh and the Greek word psy·khe′. The Hebrew word literally means “a creature that breathes,” and the Greek word means “a living being.” * The soul, then, is the entire creature, not something inside that survives the death of the body. Consider how the Bible shows that the human soul is the whole person:


Now James, before we go on to examine the WTBTS teaching on What is the Resurrection, given by the same link you provided, a simple question for you.

The soul, whose name in the NWT is Jesus, who said to Mary.

John 20 NWT
17  Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

is that the same soul who was executed and laid in the tomb at the end of Nisan 14 ?

Regards

LeClerc


How could it be as flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom can it?

Or do you take scripture seriously?

1 Corinthians 15:50-53
.But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit in corruption. Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on in corruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality.


Very seriously James.

The flesh and blood which Paul is referring too is corrupted flesh and blood, corrupted by sin.

Y'shua never sinned or are you saying The Messiah was not perfect ?

Now James

Quote:

21 After Armageddon, mankind will be under just one government, God’s Kingdom.


Mankind, after Armegeddon, who are under one government, God's kingdom, where will this mankind reside James ?

Regards

LeClerc


You should have a proper bible study so as to get all your bits and pieces in their right places.

If you check your scriptures you will find Gods new kingdom is heavenly mount Zion made up of the bride of specially chosen anointed earthly one who have been faithful till death, with here virgin companions that are looking forward to the mirage after the bride groom has vanquished suntan an those that apposes the kingdom  at Armageddon.

Did you memorialize Jesus death as he requested or did you find it just OK to follow tradition?


Where will those, on the King's right, who inherit the Kingdom, reside James ?

Matthew 25
34  “Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world.

Regards

LeClerc



Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, idolatry, spiritism, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and things like these. I am forewarning you about these things, the same way I already warned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom.

Galatians 5:22-26
On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires. If we are living by spirit, let us also go on walking orderly by spirit. Let us not become egotistical, stirring up competition with one another, envying one another.


Thank you for that James.

So those who inherit God's kingdom are those referred to by the WTBTS as the following.

Quote:

This later resurrection will be to life on earth, which the vast majority of those brought back to life will enjoy.

and

while those resurrected to life on earth receive a healthy physical body, completely sound.


Regards

LeClerc


How many are there that make up the Heavenly Kingdom and what type of body do they have, according to scripture?
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/


Interesting link James

Lets begin with the WTBTS teaching from the link you have provided

What is a Soul ?

Quote:

The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew word ne′phesh and the Greek word psy·khe′. The Hebrew word literally means “a creature that breathes,” and the Greek word means “a living being.” * The soul, then, is the entire creature, not something inside that survives the death of the body. Consider how the Bible shows that the human soul is the whole person:


Now James, before we go on to examine the WTBTS teaching on What is the Resurrection, given by the same link you provided, a simple question for you.

The soul, whose name in the NWT is Jesus, who said to Mary.

John 20 NWT
17  Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

is that the same soul who was executed and laid in the tomb at the end of Nisan 14 ?

Regards

LeClerc


How could it be as flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom can it?

Or do you take scripture seriously?

1 Corinthians 15:50-53
.But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit in corruption. Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on in corruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality.


Very seriously James.

The flesh and blood which Paul is referring too is corrupted flesh and blood, corrupted by sin.

Y'shua never sinned or are you saying The Messiah was not perfect ?

Now James

Quote:

21 After Armageddon, mankind will be under just one government, God’s Kingdom.


Mankind, after Armegeddon, who are under one government, God's kingdom, where will this mankind reside James ?

Regards

LeClerc


You should have a proper bible study so as to get all your bits and pieces in their right places.

If you check your scriptures you will find Gods new kingdom is heavenly mount Zion made up of the bride of specially chosen anointed earthly one who have been faithful till death, with here virgin companions that are looking forward to the mirage after the bride groom has vanquished suntan an those that apposes the kingdom  at Armageddon.

Did you memorialize Jesus death as he requested or did you find it just OK to follow tradition?


Where will those, on the King's right, who inherit the Kingdom, reside James ?

Matthew 25
34  “Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world.

Regards

LeClerc



Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, idolatry, spiritism, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and things like these. I am forewarning you about these things, the same way I already warned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom.

Galatians 5:22-26
On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires. If we are living by spirit, let us also go on walking orderly by spirit. Let us not become egotistical, stirring up competition with one another, envying one another.


Thank you for that James.

So those who inherit God's kingdom are those referred to by the WTBTS as the following.

Quote:

This later resurrection will be to life on earth, which the vast majority of those brought back to life will enjoy.

and

while those resurrected to life on earth receive a healthy physical body, completely sound.


Regards

LeClerc


How many are there that make up the Heavenly Kingdom and what type of body do they have, according to scripture?
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/


Interesting link James

Lets begin with the WTBTS teaching from the link you have provided

What is a Soul ?

Quote:

The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew word ne′phesh and the Greek word psy·khe′. The Hebrew word literally means “a creature that breathes,” and the Greek word means “a living being.” * The soul, then, is the entire creature, not something inside that survives the death of the body. Consider how the Bible shows that the human soul is the whole person:


Now James, before we go on to examine the WTBTS teaching on What is the Resurrection, given by the same link you provided, a simple question for you.

The soul, whose name in the NWT is Jesus, who said to Mary.

John 20 NWT
17  Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

is that the same soul who was executed and laid in the tomb at the end of Nisan 14 ?

Regards

LeClerc


How could it be as flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom can it?

Or do you take scripture seriously?

1 Corinthians 15:50-53
.But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit in corruption. Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on in corruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality.


Very seriously James.

The flesh and blood which Paul is referring too is corrupted flesh and blood, corrupted by sin.

Y'shua never sinned or are you saying The Messiah was not perfect ?

Now James

Quote:

21 After Armageddon, mankind will be under just one government, God’s Kingdom.


Mankind, after Armegeddon, who are under one government, God's kingdom, where will this mankind reside James ?

Regards

LeClerc


You should have a proper bible study so as to get all your bits and pieces in their right places.

If you check your scriptures you will find Gods new kingdom is heavenly mount Zion made up of the bride of specially chosen anointed earthly one who have been faithful till death, with here virgin companions that are looking forward to the mirage after the bride groom has vanquished suntan an those that apposes the kingdom  at Armageddon.

Did you memorialize Jesus death as he requested or did you find it just OK to follow tradition?


Where will those, on the King's right, who inherit the Kingdom, reside James ?

Matthew 25
34  “Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world.

Regards

LeClerc



Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, idolatry, spiritism, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and things like these. I am forewarning you about these things, the same way I already warned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom.

Galatians 5:22-26
On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires. If we are living by spirit, let us also go on walking orderly by spirit. Let us not become egotistical, stirring up competition with one another, envying one another.


Thank you for that James.

So those who inherit God's kingdom are those referred to by the WTBTS as the following.

Quote:

This later resurrection will be to life on earth, which the vast majority of those brought back to life will enjoy.

and

while those resurrected to life on earth receive a healthy physical body, completely sound.


Regards

LeClerc


How many are there that make up the Heavenly Kingdom and what type of body do they have, according to scripture?


Read my question James

So those who inherit God's kingdom are those referred to by the WTBTS as the following.

Quote:


This later resurrection will be to life on earth, which the vast majority of those brought back to life will enjoy.

and

while those resurrected to life on earth receive a healthy physical body, completely sound.



Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:


http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/


Interesting link James

Lets begin with the WTBTS teaching from the link you have provided

What is a Soul ?

Quote:

The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew word ne′phesh and the Greek word psy·khe′. The Hebrew word literally means “a creature that breathes,” and the Greek word means “a living being.” * The soul, then, is the entire creature, not something inside that survives the death of the body. Consider how the Bible shows that the human soul is the whole person:


Now James, before we go on to examine the WTBTS teaching on What is the Resurrection, given by the same link you provided, a simple question for you.

The soul, whose name in the NWT is Jesus, who said to Mary.

John 20 NWT
17  Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

is that the same soul who was executed and laid in the tomb at the end of Nisan 14 ?

Regards

LeClerc


How could it be as flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom can it?

Or do you take scripture seriously?

1 Corinthians 15:50-53
.But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit in corruption. Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on in corruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality.


Very seriously James.

The flesh and blood which Paul is referring too is corrupted flesh and blood, corrupted by sin.

Y'shua never sinned or are you saying The Messiah was not perfect ?

Now James

Quote:

21 After Armageddon, mankind will be under just one government, God’s Kingdom.


Mankind, after Armegeddon, who are under one government, God's kingdom, where will this mankind reside James ?

Regards

LeClerc


You should have a proper bible study so as to get all your bits and pieces in their right places.

If you check your scriptures you will find Gods new kingdom is heavenly mount Zion made up of the bride of specially chosen anointed earthly one who have been faithful till death, with here virgin companions that are looking forward to the mirage after the bride groom has vanquished suntan an those that apposes the kingdom  at Armageddon.

Did you memorialize Jesus death as he requested or did you find it just OK to follow tradition?


Where will those, on the King's right, who inherit the Kingdom, reside James ?

Matthew 25
34  “Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world.

Regards

LeClerc



Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, idolatry, spiritism, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and things like these. I am forewarning you about these things, the same way I already warned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom.

Galatians 5:22-26
On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires. If we are living by spirit, let us also go on walking orderly by spirit. Let us not become egotistical, stirring up competition with one another, envying one another.


Thank you for that James.

So those who inherit God's kingdom are those referred to by the WTBTS as the following.

Quote:

This later resurrection will be to life on earth, which the vast majority of those brought back to life will enjoy.

and

while those resurrected to life on earth receive a healthy physical body, completely sound.


Regards

LeClerc


How many are there that make up the Heavenly Kingdom and what type of body do they have, according to scripture?


Read my question James

So those who inherit God's kingdom are those referred to by the WTBTS as the following.

Quote:


This later resurrection will be to life on earth, which the vast majority of those brought back to life will enjoy.

and

while those resurrected to life on earth receive a healthy physical body, completely sound.



Regards

LeClerc


What that has to do with anything is only in your imagination.

For example do they get to eat of the tree of life?

Are they perfect or are they brought to perfection?

Can any fie during this time?

Where does the lamb lead them?

And why?

Revelation 7:17
because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them and will guide them to springs of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.
Sebastian Toe

Is there any way that you two can possibly make your posts any bigger?
Shaker



The bandwidth ...
Sebastian Toe

Shaker wrote:


The bandwidth ...

Looks to me that he is celebrating having just found and trampled on a troll that has been annoying him for years?

Is this the wrong thread for that?
My bad!
JamesJah

Earth peoples life cycle is just like the water cycle is it not?

Dig up the earth manufacture the goods put them on the conveyer tip them in the shredder is it not?


LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Earth peoples life cycle is just like the water cycle is it not?

Dig up the earth manufacture the goods put them on the conveyer tip them in the shredder is it not?



Don't you read the Watchtower James.

Quote:

The Watchtower (2003)
w03 11/15 pp. 4-7
You Can Believe in a Paradise Earth
By their faithfulness to God, obedient mankind will be granted what our original parents lost—everlasting life in human perfection on a paradise earth.



Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Earth peoples life cycle is just like the water cycle is it not?

Dig up the earth manufacture the goods put them on the conveyer tip them in the shredder is it not?



Don't you read the Watchtower James.

Quote:

The Watchtower (2003)
w03 11/15 pp. 4-7
You Can Believe in a Paradise Earth
By their faithfulness to God, obedient mankind will be granted what our original parents lost—everlasting life in human perfection on a paradise earth.



Regards

LeClerc


What is wrong with that now?

Do you have some special bible of your own that teaches something different?

Where would Adam be today if he had eaten of the tree of life?
LeClerc

Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Earth peoples life cycle is just like the water cycle is it not?

Dig up the earth manufacture the goods put them on the conveyer tip them in the shredder is it not?



Don't you read the Watchtower James.

Quote:

The Watchtower (2003)
w03 11/15 pp. 4-7
You Can Believe in a Paradise Earth
By their faithfulness to God, obedient mankind will be granted what our original parents lost—everlasting life in human perfection on a paradise earth.



Regards

LeClerc


What is wrong with that now?

Do you have some special bible of your own that teaches something different?

Where would Adam be today if he had eaten of the tree of life?


So James according to the WTBTS those with resurrected physical bodies can inherit the Kingdom of God.

From the link you originally provided.

Quote:


This later resurrection will be to life on earth, which the vast majority of those brought back to life will enjoy.

and

while those resurrected to life on earth receive a healthy physical body, completely sound.



Matthew 6
9 You, therefore, pray like this:
Our Father in heaven!
   May your Name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come,
   your will be done on earth as in heaven.


Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Earth peoples life cycle is just like the water cycle is it not?

Dig up the earth manufacture the goods put them on the conveyer tip them in the shredder is it not?



Don't you read the Watchtower James.

Quote:

The Watchtower (2003)
w03 11/15 pp. 4-7
You Can Believe in a Paradise Earth
By their faithfulness to God, obedient mankind will be granted what our original parents lost—everlasting life in human perfection on a paradise earth.



Regards

LeClerc


What is wrong with that now?

Do you have some special bible of your own that teaches something different?

Where would Adam be today if he had eaten of the tree of life?


So James according to the WTBTS those with resurrected physical bodies can inherit the Kingdom of God.

From the link you originally provided.

Quote:


This later resurrection will be to life on earth, which the vast majority of those brought back to life will enjoy.

and

while those resurrected to life on earth receive a healthy physical body, completely sound.



Matthew 6
9 You, therefore, pray like this:
Our Father in heaven!
   May your Name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come,
   your will be done on earth as in heaven.


Regards

LeClerc


Do you keep his name holy?

Are you doing his will on earth?

What is his will by the way?
LeClerc

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Earth peoples life cycle is just like the water cycle is it not?

Dig up the earth manufacture the goods put them on the conveyer tip them in the shredder is it not?



Don't you read the Watchtower James.

Quote:

The Watchtower (2003)
w03 11/15 pp. 4-7
You Can Believe in a Paradise Earth
By their faithfulness to God, obedient mankind will be granted what our original parents lost—everlasting life in human perfection on a paradise earth.



Regards

LeClerc


What is wrong with that now?

Do you have some special bible of your own that teaches something different?

Where would Adam be today if he had eaten of the tree of life?


So James according to the WTBTS those with resurrected physical bodies can inherit the Kingdom of God.

From the link you originally provided.

Quote:


This later resurrection will be to life on earth, which the vast majority of those brought back to life will enjoy.

and

while those resurrected to life on earth receive a healthy physical body, completely sound.



Matthew 6
9 You, therefore, pray like this:
Our Father in heaven!
   May your Name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come,
   your will be done on earth as in heaven.


Regards

LeClerc


Do you keep his name holy?

Are you doing his will on earth?

What is his will by the way?


No answer then James.

As Jim would say, evasion noted.

So James according to the WTBTS those with resurrected physical bodies can inherit the Kingdom of God.

From the link you originally provided.

Quote:


This later resurrection will be to life on earth, which the vast majority of those brought back to life will enjoy.

and

while those resurrected to life on earth receive a healthy physical body, completely sound.



Matthew 6
9 You, therefore, pray like this:
Our Father in heaven!
   May your Name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come,
   your will be done on earth as in heaven.


Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hello James

JamesJah wrote:
Earth peoples life cycle is just like the water cycle is it not?

Dig up the earth manufacture the goods put them on the conveyer tip them in the shredder is it not?



Don't you read the Watchtower James.

Quote:

The Watchtower (2003)
w03 11/15 pp. 4-7
You Can Believe in a Paradise Earth
By their faithfulness to God, obedient mankind will be granted what our original parents lost—everlasting life in human perfection on a paradise earth.



Regards

LeClerc


What is wrong with that now?

Do you have some special bible of your own that teaches something different?

Where would Adam be today if he had eaten of the tree of life?


So James according to the WTBTS those with resurrected physical bodies can inherit the Kingdom of God.

From the link you originally provided.

Quote:


This later resurrection will be to life on earth, which the vast majority of those brought back to life will enjoy.

and

while those resurrected to life on earth receive a healthy physical body, completely sound.



Matthew 6
9 You, therefore, pray like this:
Our Father in heaven!
   May your Name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come,
   your will be done on earth as in heaven.


Regards

LeClerc


Do you keep his name holy?

Are you doing his will on earth?

What is his will by the way?


No answer then James.

As Jim would say, evasion noted.

So James according to the WTBTS those with resurrected physical bodies can inherit the Kingdom of God.

From the link you originally provided.

Quote:


This later resurrection will be to life on earth, which the vast majority of those brought back to life will enjoy.

and

while those resurrected to life on earth receive a healthy physical body, completely sound.



Matthew 6
9 You, therefore, pray like this:
Our Father in heaven!
   May your Name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come,
   your will be done on earth as in heaven.


Regards

LeClerc


There is obviously a nuance of teaching here you find difficult so what is it?

What bit of the Kingdom do the sheep inherit?

The heavenly ruling bit or the earthly obedient  living bit?

What part do the virgin friends of the bride play?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


There is obviously a nuance of teaching here you find difficult so what is it?

What bit of the Kingdom do the sheep inherit?

The heavenly ruling bit or the earthly obedient  living bit?

What part do the virgin friends of the bride play?


You should pay more attention to the Watchtower James.

Quote:

21 After Armageddon, mankind will be under just one government, God’s Kingdom. That Kingdom will do God’s will and bring wonderful blessings. For example,  it will remove Satan and his demons. (Revelation 20:1-3) The power of Jesus’ sacrifice will be applied so that faithful humans will no longer get sick and die. Instead, under Kingdom rule they will be able to live forever. (Revelation 22:1-3) The earth will be made into a paradise. Thus the Kingdom will cause God’s will to be done on earth and will sanctify God’s name. What does this mean? It means that eventually under God’s Kingdom everyone alive will honor Jehovah’s name.


You see James according to the WTBTS teaching those with resurrected physical bodies will inherit Gods Kingdom.

Quote:


This later resurrection will be to life on earth, which the vast majority of those brought back to life will enjoy.

and

while those resurrected to life on earth receive a healthy physical body, completely sound.



Despite you keeping on that this is not possible.

Zechariah 14
6On that day, there will be
neither bright light nor thick darkness;
7 and one day, known to YHWH,
will be neither day nor night,
although by evening there will be light.
8 On that day, fresh water will flow
out from Yerushalayim,
half toward the eastern sea
and half toward the western sea,
both summer and winter.
9 Then YHWH will be king
over the whole world.
On that day YHWH will be the only one,
and his name will be the only name.


Regards

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:


There is obviously a nuance of teaching here you find difficult so what is it?

What bit of the Kingdom do the sheep inherit?

The heavenly ruling bit or the earthly obedient  living bit?

What part do the virgin friends of the bride play?


You should pay more attention to the Watchtower James.

Quote:

21 After Armageddon, mankind will be under just one government, God’s Kingdom. That Kingdom will do God’s will and bring wonderful blessings. For example,  it will remove Satan and his demons. (Revelation 20:1-3) The power of Jesus’ sacrifice will be applied so that faithful humans will no longer get sick and die. Instead, under Kingdom rule they will be able to live forever. (Revelation 22:1-3) The earth will be made into a paradise. Thus the Kingdom will cause God’s will to be done on earth and will sanctify God’s name. What does this mean? It means that eventually under God’s Kingdom everyone alive will honor Jehovah’s name.


You see James according to the WTBTS teaching those with resurrected physical bodies will inherit Gods Kingdom.

Quote:


This later resurrection will be to life on earth, which the vast majority of those brought back to life will enjoy.

and

while those resurrected to life on earth receive a healthy physical body, completely sound.



Despite you keeping on that this is not possible.

Zechariah 14
6On that day, there will be
neither bright light nor thick darkness;
7 and one day, known to YHWH,
will be neither day nor night,
although by evening there will be light.
8 On that day, fresh water will flow
out from Yerushalayim,
half toward the eastern sea
and half toward the western sea,
both summer and winter.
9 Then YHWH will be king
over the whole world.
On that day YHWH will be the only one,
and his name will be the only name.


Regards

LeClerc


So which is the only people who today honour the Almighty God's name?

And what is to happen to those who do not?

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