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JamesJah

Who are speaking truth today?

Which is the only religious group of which this prophetic statement can be true of?

Quote:

2 Peter 3:3, 4
For YOU know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires and saying: Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep, all things are continuing exactly as from creation’s beginning. 
Jim

Re: Who are speaking truth today?

Well, not a bunch of deceivers constantly making false parousia claims - against scripture - founded by an occultist pyramidiot, for starters.
Jim

Here's another site you probably won't respond to, James....
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php
JamesJah

Who has opened up the scriptures when it was the time to open them up.

Who still keeps the end time scriptures before those willing to look at them.

How many Christians today are taught who the wild beast is, and to keep to the teaching of Jesus rather than sink into the mire of nationalism?

Revelation 13:16-18
It puts under compulsion all persons, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the slaves, that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead, and that nobody might be able to buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name. Here is where wisdom comes in: Let the one that has intelligence calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a man’s number; and its number is six hundred and sixty-six.
Jim

And how many people are led away from Christ by a pseudo-Christian sect which churns out predictions with the rapidity and consistancy of a cow with the scour?
JamesJah

Where does one go too for light in this age with so many deceivers in the world?

Most popular religions have failed their flock by teaching the traditions of men, rather than the will of God, so it is no surprise that the sheep are leaving that fold, and looking else where, is it not?

Who are pointing to the scriptures as the direction to go in?

John 17:3
This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.
Jim

I've answered your question.
Now have the grace to visit that site I posted above and refute it.
JamesJah

If Jesus had to pick the best of all the failed religions which would he choose the stuck in the mud ones or the ones or those that are moving into the light of his word and doing the will of his Father?

Matthew 24:45-47
Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so.  Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings.

Notice the criteria, nothing to do with your URL now is it jim?
Jim

Still not grasping the concept of looking at the site and refuting it, James?
Never mind: I suppose it'll reach you eventually.
gone

Not the JWs that is for sure, they wouldn't know the elusive 'truth' if it hit them on the head!
JamesJah

Psalm 119:159, 160
O see that I have loved your own orders. O Jehovah, according to your loving-kindness preserve me alive. The substance of your word is truth, And every righteous judicial decision of yours is to time indefinite.

John 17:16, 17
They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world. Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth.

How many take this scripture seriously?


John 17:3
This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.
Jim

With which part of "Have the grace to look at the site and refute it" are you having trouble, James?
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
With which part of "Have the grace to look at the site and refute it" are you having trouble, James?


Which bit of the scripture Jesus quoted do you find a problem with when he plainly said the Father is GREATER than I?

And the one that says abstain from blood?
Jim

Ah, I see.
Typical.
Unable to refute the assertions...oh, what a surprise.
JamesJah

Are we in the time of the end or not?
gone

JamesJah wrote:
Are we in the time of the end or not?


NOT
JamesJah

Floo wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Are we in the time of the end or not?


NOT


Now we see how such a lack of understanding of scripture as to render their opinion on prophecy null and void.

2 Timothy 3:1-5
But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away.
gone

You are funny!    
JamesJah

Floo wrote:
You are funny!    


I am sorry to see you feel that is so amusing.

2 Peter 3:3, 4
For YOU know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires and saying: “Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep [in death], all things are continuing exactly as from creation’s beginning.”
gone

Well you are!
JamesJah

How can some one living in a cess pit find any thing funny?

1 John 2:15-17
Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever.
gone

   
Ketty

JamesJah wrote:
How can some one living in a cess pit find any thing funny?


Cess pits aren't all bad.  Tomato plants can be seen growing; manure helps roses grow beautiful blooms . . .
Shaker

Ketty wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
How can some one living in a cess pit find any thing funny?


Cess pits aren't all bad.  Tomato plants can be seen growing; manure helps roses grow beautiful blooms . . .

Ketty is absolutely bang on the money here. The importance of manure or ordure (or, if you're a Leicestershire lad at any rate, shit) for the cycle of life is absolutely crucial. Somebody ought to write a book about it.

Dammit, I might even do it myself  
Powwow

One piece of advice. If you use manure for your tomato plants, it MUST be well composted otherwise the fruit will actually taste like manure.

NOT THAT I HAVE EVER TASTED MANURE!!!!
Shaker

pow wow wrote:
One piece of advice. If you use manure for your tomato plants, it MUST be well composted otherwise the fruit will actually taste like manure.

NOT THAT I HAVE EVER TASTED MANURE!!!!

Well, I for one am amazed.
JamesJah

I can see not many of you are aware of the number of deadly diseases that can be picked up just walking about in this world now do you?
Powwow

What would amaze me is Shaker getting off his huge butt and visiting Scotland. lol
JamesJah

A lot of people have stopped watching the news because they do not wish to give up believing in Father Christmas or is that Alice in wonderland?
gone

JJ you are a twit, does it come naturally or do you have to work hard at it?
JamesJah

Floo wrote:
JJ you are a twit, does it come naturally or do you have to work hard at it?



How many people have been massacred over the past month?

How many refugees are there in the world?

How many are on starvation subsistence?

How many think its funny?  
Shaker

JamesJah wrote:
A lot of people have stopped watching the news because they do not wish to give up believing in Father Christmas or is that Alice in wonderland?

Wibble.
Powwow

Good grief JJ, I have witnessed many in the Watchtower cult laughing, smiling and joking.
How could they with people starving in the world?lol Get how stupid you are being?
JamesJah

pow wow wrote:
Good grief JJ, I have witnessed many in the Watchtower cult laughing, smiling and joking.
How could they with people starving in the world?lol Get how stupid you are being?


They like you possibly have not travelled through the middle east as some have, then most JW's have the joy of knowing and having faith in the promises that their God has made when he promises to put an end to mans foolishness.

Matthew 24:21, 22
for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.


Revelation 11:17, 18
You have taken your great power and begun ruling as king. But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time for the dead to be judged, and to give [their] reward to your slaves the prophets and to the holy ones and to those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.
Powwow

My sisters and aunt have and my sisters continue to laugh and smile. I have spent a lot of time on native reservations where my buddies live. These are places in third world conditions. I continue to enjoy life, smile and laugh as do my buddies on their respective reservations.

I can't believe you have no joy in your life. how very sad for you. That is evidence that Jehovah is not with you. Do you think Christ was joyless at the wedding in Cana? Oh no, in fact He helped out with some wine for the festivities all the while knowing the suffering going on in the world.
JamesJah

Not only was Jesus very sad at what he saw, he berated the people that caused such misery to exist.

For his troubles their efforts to gag him from exposing them ended with one  of the most brutal torturous deaths a person could be made to suffer.

Are people any different today?

Are Christians lovers of truth?

Can man face up to the real world and look to the provision Jehovah has provided for saving him from himself?
JamesJah

Is this true or not?

John 17:3
This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.

Which religion teaches this as truth?
gone

JamesJah wrote:
Is this true or not?

John 17:3
This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.

Which religion teaches this as truth?


No one has the elusive 'truth' the JW nonsense less than most!
JamesJah

Any one that does not take the bible as the word of God and accept it as truth cannot really be taken seriously now can they.

What human is there that can determine truth without the help of the word of God?
gone

As no one has any idea if a deity exists, let alone its thought processes, nothing can be claimed to be 'the word of God'!  The JW cult is worst than many as people have died because of lack of a blood transfusion, though some crazy interpretation of the Bible, which they think bans such a practice!
trentvoyager

Quote:
Any one that does not take the bible as the word of God and accept it as truth cannot really be taken seriously now can they.



Yes they can. Just because you happen to believe that is the only template for living does not make you right.

In fact your very statement makes me want to take you less seriously.

So just where does that get us ?
JamesJah

Floo wrote:
As no one has any idea if a deity exists, let alone its thought processes, nothing can be claimed to be 'the word of God'!  The JW cult is worst than many as people have died because of lack of a blood transfusion, though some crazy interpretation of the Bible, which they think bans such a practice!


When I was in the air force, the blood transfusion people issued me with a green card saying  'O' reses negative do not transfuse blood, in an emergency use saline or ringers solution etc, why was that may I ask?
cyberman

JamesJah wrote:
Floo wrote:
As no one has any idea if a deity exists, let alone its thought processes, nothing can be claimed to be 'the word of God'!  The JW cult is worst than many as people have died because of lack of a blood transfusion, though some crazy interpretation of the Bible, which they think bans such a practice!


When I was in the air force, the blood transfusion people issued me with a green card saying  'O' reses negative do not transfuse blood, in an emergency use saline or ringers solution etc, why was that may I ask?


In case you were gven the wrong type of blood.
JamesJah

cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Floo wrote:
As no one has any idea if a deity exists, let alone its thought processes, nothing can be claimed to be 'the word of God'!  The JW cult is worst than many as people have died because of lack of a blood transfusion, though some crazy interpretation of the Bible, which they think bans such a practice!


When I was in the air force, the blood transfusion people issued me with a green card saying  'O' reses negative do not transfuse blood, in an emergency use saline or ringers solution etc, why was that may I ask?


In case you were gven the wrong type of blood.


What would the right type be?
gone

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Floo wrote:
As no one has any idea if a deity exists, let alone its thought processes, nothing can be claimed to be 'the word of God'!  The JW cult is worst than many as people have died because of lack of a blood transfusion, though some crazy interpretation of the Bible, which they think bans such a practice!


When I was in the air force, the blood transfusion people issued me with a green card saying  'O' reses negative do not transfuse blood, in an emergency use saline or ringers solution etc, why was that may I ask?


In case you were gven the wrong type of blood.


What would the right type be?


Your own blood group!
Shaker

JamesJah wrote:
cyberman wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Floo wrote:
As no one has any idea if a deity exists, let alone its thought processes, nothing can be claimed to be 'the word of God'!  The JW cult is worst than many as people have died because of lack of a blood transfusion, though some crazy interpretation of the Bible, which they think bans such a practice!


When I was in the air force, the blood transfusion people issued me with a green card saying  'O' reses negative do not transfuse blood, in an emergency use saline or ringers solution etc, why was that may I ask?


In case you were gven the wrong type of blood.


What would the right type be?


Jim

floo;
As you know, I agree.
Russellism has nothing of the love of Christ in it.
The two idiots who came to my door, and, after I told them a blood transfusion saved my life, and I asked if I would have been better off dying, said that I would have been better off dead than 'alive in sin'.
These twits desreve all the ridicule I can throw at them.
Lexilogio

JamesJah wrote:
Floo wrote:
As no one has any idea if a deity exists, let alone its thought processes, nothing can be claimed to be 'the word of God'!  The JW cult is worst than many as people have died because of lack of a blood transfusion, though some crazy interpretation of the Bible, which they think bans such a practice!


When I was in the air force, the blood transfusion people issued me with a green card saying  'O' reses negative do not transfuse blood, in an emergency use saline or ringers solution etc, why was that may I ask?


Because they knew you were JW? So they had your blood group - along with a comment not to transfuse?
JamesJah

Lexilogio wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Floo wrote:
As no one has any idea if a deity exists, let alone its thought processes, nothing can be claimed to be 'the word of God'!  The JW cult is worst than many as people have died because of lack of a blood transfusion, though some crazy interpretation of the Bible, which they think bans such a practice!


When I was in the air force, the blood transfusion people issued me with a green card saying  'O' reses negative do not transfuse blood, in an emergency use saline or ringers solution etc, why was that may I ask?


Because they knew you were JW? So they had your blood group - along with a comment not to transfuse?


No because if I had been a JW then I would not have joined the RAF.

It was looking for a solution to the problems I saw w that where fermenting throughout the Middle East that while I was there with the RAF, that lead me to studying prophecy with a JW.

Now we are seeing the ferment boiling over and the bible prophecies being fulfilled, which has been a source of strengthening my faith in the bible teaching not weakening of it.

The bible teaches us who's it is the only blood that can save our lives permanently now how many Christians are there with real faith in that promises by the Creator?
Shaker

Ketty

Shaker wrote:


Thanks Shaker!  That pic has served as an aide memoire for something I should have done yesterday, and forgot to do.  I shall get onto it today.  Brill pictorial reminder.

Jim

Yep.
I only wish I could donate blood, but the medication I'm on prevents my blood being used.
Ironic, really, as I'm polysyphaemic...the exact opposite of anaemic, meaning that, every so often, I have to give a couple of pints, which are destroyed.
gone

My son-in-law donates his platelets every six weeks, it is a painful procedure, he has to go some distance to do this and miss work as well. As he is a contractor he doesn't get paid when not working. I think he is a STAR!
Jim

Thank God for blood donors: but for them I wouldn't be here.
That might've pleased those two wtbts pillocks, but, hey, God had other ideas!
Jim

Why you can't trust the WTBTS on blood:
http://www.bible.ca/jw-blood.htm

(Hurry up and read it, 'cos there's every chance they'll have told their followers something new to believe by next week...again. )
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
Why you can't trust the WTBTS on blood:
http://www.bible.ca/jw-blood.htm

(Hurry up and read it, 'cos there's every chance they'll have told their followers something new to believe by next week...again. )



We all have free choice even JW's and we choose to do what our creator asks 0of us rather than what a human asks of us, simple is it not?

Who killed 5,000 haemophiliacs with blood transfusions?
Jim

Is that the same free will that gave a couple of narrow mided Russellites the right to tell me I'd be better of dead than alive thanks to the generosity of strangers who gave their blood to save me, James?
Jim

Why you need to leave Satan's faithful slave....
They are as reliable as a one wheeled car....

http://www.bible.ca/Jw-Prophecy.htm

Oh, and, these quotes aren't from some 'apostate' literature, James...they're from your own, beloved wathtower tripe factory.
Enjoy!
Lexilogio

JamesJah wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Floo wrote:
As no one has any idea if a deity exists, let alone its thought processes, nothing can be claimed to be 'the word of God'!  The JW cult is worst than many as people have died because of lack of a blood transfusion, though some crazy interpretation of the Bible, which they think bans such a practice!


When I was in the air force, the blood transfusion people issued me with a green card saying  'O' reses negative do not transfuse blood, in an emergency use saline or ringers solution etc, why was that may I ask?


Because they knew you were JW? So they had your blood group - along with a comment not to transfuse?


No because if I had been a JW then I would not have joined the RAF.

It was looking for a solution to the problems I saw w that where fermenting throughout the Middle East that while I was there with the RAF, that lead me to studying prophecy with a JW.

Now we are seeing the ferment boiling over and the bible prophecies being fulfilled, which has been a source of strengthening my faith in the bible teaching not weakening of it.

The bible teaches us who's it is the only blood that can save our lives permanently now how many Christians are there with real faith in that promises by the Creator?


No, the Bible teaches us that belief in God through Jesus Christ saves us.
JamesJah

Lexilogio wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
Floo wrote:
As no one has any idea if a deity exists, let alone its thought processes, nothing can be claimed to be 'the word of God'!  The JW cult is worst than many as people have died because of lack of a blood transfusion, though some crazy interpretation of the Bible, which they think bans such a practice!


When I was in the air force, the blood transfusion people issued me with a green card saying  'O' reses negative do not transfuse blood, in an emergency use saline or ringers solution etc, why was that may I ask?


Because they knew you were JW? So they had your blood group - along with a comment not to transfuse?


No because if I had been a JW then I would not have joined the RAF.

It was looking for a solution to the problems I saw w that where fermenting throughout the Middle East that while I was there with the RAF, that lead me to studying prophecy with a JW.

Now we are seeing the ferment boiling over and the bible prophecies being fulfilled, which has been a source of strengthening my faith in the bible teaching not weakening of it.

The bible teaches us who's it is the only blood that can save our lives permanently now how many Christians are there with real faith in that promises by the Creator?


No, the Bible teaches us that belief in God through Jesus Christ saves us.


Quite right too, how many today can say that they have real faith in Jesus and what he taught us?

Peter thought he had the faith, but when it came to a matter of life or death which did Peter choose?

What lesson can we learn from how he behaved?
Jim

I don't blame you for ignoring those sites quoting the trasgh from your own watchtower rrag, James.
They show just how satanic the cult you belong to is.
I'd be ashamed of it as well, were I in your shoes.
JamesJah

Which of these scripture describes the true faith and the false one?

John 10:19-21
Again a division resulted among the Jews because of these words. Many of them were saying: He has a demon and is mad. Why do you listen to him? Others would say: These are not the sayings of a demonized man. A demon cannot open blind people’s eyes, can it?

Matthew 10:34-41
Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword. For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law.

Indeed, a man’s enemies will be persons of his own household. He that has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and he that has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me.

Whoever does not accept his torture stake and follow after me is not worthy of me. He that finds his soul will lose it, and he that loses his soul for my sake will find it.

He that receives you receives me also, and he that receives me receives him also that sent me forth.

He that receives a prophet because he is a prophet will get a prophet’s reward, and he that receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will get a righteous man’s reward.
Jim

Arill can't respond to those quotes from Sran's BRrooklyn slave, ye?
JamesJah

Who are the light bearer today?

Who are doing God's will for our time?

If I wished to hear the good news of the Kingdom who would teach me?

Matthew 7:12
All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must likewise do to them; this, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean.
Jim

Still unable to access that site showing the farcical watchtower stuff, James?
Never mind....see a computer expert...you're obviously having trouble, 'cos I KNOW you REALLY, REALLY want to read it.....
Jim

Here's another site you won't look at, James...even though all it contains are quotes from your beloved Watchtower....
http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/
JamesJah

My faith is according to the will of the Almighty God as revealed in scripture.

The WT is a means of showing to the world what is being understood at the time of its inception, it is not a replacement for the word of God, if the author has missed a scripture then all will be revealed at a later date what the missed scripture has to say on the matter.

That is why the WT building has the notice on it, READ the BIBLE DAILY.


So who is doing God's will today?


Matthew 24:14
this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. 
Jim

Great!
So you reject the satanic slaves in Brooklyn?
You're the one who posted the topic:
I merely show that the one group which, by its' own publised works, can be shown to be no "faithful slave", and very much "weed Christians".
Glad we sorted that out.
JamesJah

Your desire to circumvent what is true and replace it with what may I ask tells us a lot about where you are coming from.

So who is the faithful and discreet slave?



Matthew 24:45
Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?
Jim

Er...
So are you saying that the quotes from your rag are wrong?
What is your evidence for this?
Can you direct me to the proper quotes...

otherwise, there is no doubt in the falsity, duplicity, errancy and sheer incompitence contained in your 'prophetic' magazine.
Some 'faithful slave'!
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
Er...
So are you saying that the quotes from your rag are wrong?
What is your evidence for this?
Can you direct me to the proper quotes...

otherwise, there is no doubt in the falsity, duplicity, errancy and sheer incompitence contained in your 'prophetic' magazine.
Some 'faithful slave'!


Typical answer from some one who can not answer the question properly, is it not?
Jim

Evasion noted.
JamesJah

John 8:31, 32
Jesus went on to say to the Jews that had believed him: “If you remain in my word, you are really my disciples,  and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
Jim

EVASION NOTED.
JamesJah

John 17:15-19
I request you, not to take them out of the world, but to watch over them because of the wicked one. They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world. Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth. Just as you sent me forth into the world, I also sent them forth into the world. And I am sanctifying myself in their behalf, that they also may be sanctified by means of truth.
Jim

Evasion noted.

Oh, and please don't quote the NWT drivel on a CHRISTIAN thread.
The NWT is not an acceptable translation for use by Christians.
Satanists like it, though.
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
Here's another site you won't look at, James...even though all it contains are quotes from your beloved Watchtower....
http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/


Most today who have little or no understanding of God's will are easily soaked in by apostates, especially if they take peoples opinions over the bible teachings.

Millions today let their clergy do their thinking for them, but do not know that it is scripture that have the answer to their questions, but like you jim they do not have any real faith in the scriptures because they prefer the tradition of men than the word of God.

Matthew 4:9, 10
he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.  Then Jesus said to him: Go away, Satan! For it is written, It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.
Jim

Oh, I trust the Scriptures in the light of the Holy Spirit, James.
That's whyy I condemn so-called scriptures which are prostituted in the name of a non-Christian sect which deliberately falsified them in order to do the work of Satan.


* - The Third Person of  the Triune God.
See an ACCURATE translation.
Powwow

There is no thinking allowed in the Kingdom Halls except what is dictated by Watchtower headquarters. The Watchtower cult has and continues to lead thousands to hell. Satan could not have hope for a more obedient slave then this organization.
JamesJah

If a person finds that he must worship a trinity then obviously he is unable to reason on the Almighty God's word on matters he just picks the bits that suit his ideas and rejects the teaching they do not.

What is taught at the Kingdom halls is how to use all the scriptures and how they harmonise to explain the will of the true God Jehovah.

Psalm 83: 18 KJ version.
Lexilogio

JamesJah wrote:
If a person finds that he must worship a trinity then obviously he is unable to reason on the Almighty God's word on matters he just picks the bits that suit his ideas and rejects the teaching they do not.

What is taught at the Kingdom halls is how to use all the scriptures and how they harmonise to explain the will of the true God Jehovah.

Psalm 83: 18 KJ version.


Interesting - that bit in bold.
You are taught how to USE the scriptures.
In other words, taught to just
Quote:
picks the bits that suit his ideas and rejects the teaching they do not
Jim

pow wow;
Have you looked at
http://www.bible.ca/jw-YHWH.htm
which shows the blatant lies incorporated by this cult into their version of Scripture?
No wonder no serious Bible student would touch their ridiculous farce of a bible with a ten foot barge pole!
JamesJah

Lexilogio wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
If a person finds that he must worship a trinity then obviously he is unable to reason on the Almighty God's word on matters he just picks the bits that suit his ideas and rejects the teaching they do not.

What is taught at the Kingdom halls is how to use all the scriptures and how they harmonise to explain the will of the true God Jehovah.

Psalm 83: 18 KJ version.


Interesting - that bit in bold.
You are taught how to USE the scriptures.
In other words, taught to just
Quote:
picks the bits that suit his ideas and rejects the teaching they do not


2 Timothy 3:16, 17
All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.


Proverbs 2:1-6
My son, if you will receive my sayings and treasure up my own commandments with yourself,  so as to pay attention to wisdom with your ear, that you may incline your heart to discernment; if, moreover, you call out for understanding itself and you give forth your voice for discernment itself, if you keep seeking for it as for silver, and as for hid treasures you keep searching for it, in that case you will understand the fear of Jehovah, and you will find the very knowledge of God. For Jehovah himself gives wisdom; out of his mouth there are knowledge and discernment.
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
pow wow;
Have you looked at
http://www.bible.ca/jw-YHWH.htm
which shows the blatant lies incorporated by this cult into their version of Scripture?
No wonder no serious Bible student would touch their ridiculous farce of a bible with a ten foot barge pole!


Which bible for you tells you what you love to hear?

2 Timothy 4:3, 4
For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories.
Jim

Which Bible tells me what I love to hear?
One in whose translators qualifications and abilities I can trust.
One which is not deliberately falsified by a quasi Christian cult for its' own, non-Christian agenda.
One peer-reviewed by tried and tested methodology by people over a range of denominations, all of whom are qualified at acreditted University level.
The NWT does not come close to being a bible any serious student can trust for these, and a multiplicity of other reasons.
It is unfit to grace a toilet roll holder, far less a library.
JamesJah

Perhaps your superior bible translation Jim you will let us know how it translates this verse of scripture?

John 14:28, 29
You heard that I said to you, I am going away and I am coming [back] to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am. So now I have told you before it occurs, in order that, when it does occur, yu may believe.
Jim

Why?
Don't you have access to a decent* interlinear?


THe one wrecked by the idiots in Brooklyn is NOT a decent interlinear.
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
Why?
Don't you have access to a decent* interlinear?


THe one wrecked by the idiots in Brooklyn is NOT a decent interlinear.


I have both, and I was also taught manners when I was growing up, though I still find it hard to show love to my enemies, but I keep working on it because even Paul was an enemy at one time when he thought Judaism should go on for ever.
Jim

James;
I was also taught manners, and, normally, am restrained and reasonable when dealing with strangers at my doorstep.

But when two so-called Christians told me I would have been better off dead than taking the blood transfusion which saved my life, and, on a subsequent occasion, refusing to apologise or retract this disgusting doctrine, I drew the line.

  Subsequent doorstep witnesses from the Brooklyn deceivers ( they are in NO Respect Christian),and my invitation to debate with them, simply using an ACCREDITED Bible translation - that is, a translation with which a serious Bible scholar would be comfortable, were declined.

They claimed the NWT was accurate and the only translation they would accept. When challenged as to the translators qualifications and abilities, and the accuracy of Koine/English translation, and the obvious bias, they called me 'antichrist' and left.

I only had eighteen months at uni before I had to give up due to disability (hence blood transfusion). There, however, I studied Greek, under a Greek Professor of Greek - in other words, a gentleman born and bred in Greece - and very much respected in academia. The remark that he would be loath to use the NWT as loo roll was not tongue in cheek: He pointed out over nine hundred errors in the document, which he dismissed as "juvenile trash".
Who am I to argue with an expert?
Subsequent studies in theology, Divinity, linguistic and posttranslational semantics have not changed my opinion, either of the NWT, or the charlatans who call themselves Christians, who distribute it.
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
James;
I was also taught manners, and, normally, am restrained and reasonable when dealing with strangers at my doorstep.

But when two so-called Christians told me I would have been better off dead than taking the blood transfusion which saved my life, and, on a subsequent occasion, refusing to apologise or retract this disgusting doctrine, I drew the line.

  Subsequent doorstep witnesses from the Brooklyn deceivers ( they are in NO Respect Christian),and my invitation to debate with them, simply using an ACCREDITED Bible translation - that is, a translation with which a serious Bible scholar would be comfortable, were declined.

They claimed the NWT was accurate and the only translation they would accept. When challenged as to the translators qualifications and abilities, and the accuracy of Koine/English translation, and the obvious bias, they called me 'antichrist' and left.

I only had eighteen months at uni before I had to give up due to disability (hence blood transfusion). There, however, I studied Greek, under a Greek Professor of Greek - in other words, a gentleman born and bred in Greece - and very much respected in academia. The remark that he would be loath to use the NWT as loo roll was not tongue in cheek: He pointed out over nine hundred errors in the document, which he dismissed as "juvenile trash".
Who am I to argue with an expert?
Subsequent studies in theology, Divinity, linguistic and posttranslational semantics have not changed my opinion, either of the NWT, or the charlatans who call themselves Christians, who distribute it.


What can I say you are discussing with me a JW and I use which ever translation you choose to use, about your experience what can I say most JW's I know would do the same.

As for the abstaining from blood it is a question of faith Abraham had such a faith Esau did not.

To build such a faith takes time and effort on your part proving for your self that what the Almighty requires of us is the best way to go.

Jehovah provided the blood of his son to save our life, his blood had to be perfect, is there a human today who's blood is perfect, and able to replace the blood of the Christ?

The Jews were a strange people to the nations, true Christians were a strange people to the nations, and now Jehovah's mountain is still not an acceptable place for most people, but it is the only place one can go to learn about what Jehovah requires of us today.

More faith is something we can ask for in Jesus name.


Luke 17:5, 6
Now the apostles said to the Lord: Give us more faith.  Then the Lord said: If you had faith the size of a mustard grain, you would say to this black mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea!’ and it would obey you.

Matthew 5:5
Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth. . .

Micah 4:1, 2
It must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it peoples must stream. And many nations will certainly go and say: Come, you people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.
Jim

"about your experience what can I say most JW's I know would do the same. "

Are you serious, James?
Most JWs would say I was better off dead than alive having accepted a transfusion?
REALLY?

As to translation...OK, NIV 2011, John 1:1...
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
"about your experience what can I say most JW's I know would do the same. "

Are you serious, James?
Most JWs would say I was better off dead than alive having accepted a transfusion?
REALLY?

As to translation...OK, NIV 2011, John 1:1...


John 1: 1 is only a problem for some one who has been indoctrinated to think the way he has been told to think, it is not a problem to a person who has been taught to reason on the scriptures.

This type of education make reasoning with Muslims virtually impossible.

For example if I said that the Koran contradicts itself they would not wish to accept such a concept even of it happens to be blatantly obvious.

Would proof of the matter make their hole concept of religion void?

It is a possibility, but rather than search for the real truth they would rather smoke screen the error.

Regardless of all that they will do to achieve such a result the error remains.

What is it? it is two statements of which only one can be true.

One says that all things are possible with Allah, the other says it is impossible for Allah to have a son, now do you find that simple to understand or difficult?

You do not find it difficult to comprehend now do you? But do you see why the Muslim has a problem with the concept?
Jim

Again:
Most JWs would think I was better off dead than having a transfusion?
I've given you enough time to think about it. So, how about a straight answer?
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
Again:
Most JWs would think I was better off dead than having a transfusion?
I've given you enough time to think about it. So, how about a straight answer?


No one can tell you how much faith you should have, how much faith you have is up to you and your wish to serve your creator.
Jim

So: Not a straight answer.
No surprises there, then.
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
So: Not a straight answer.
No surprises there, then.


Still hating the truth will not help you much.
Jim

Whose truth, James?
Those fools from the wtbts who said I would be better of dead than recieving the transfusion which saved my life and allows me to serve Christ?
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
Whose truth, James?
Those fools from the wtbts who said I would be better of dead than recieving the transfusion which saved my life and allows me to serve Christ?


Matthew 5:22
However, I say to YOU that everyone who continues wrathful with his brother will be accountable to the court of justice; but whoever addresses his brother with an unspeakable word of contempt will be accountable to the Supreme Court; whereas whoever says, ‘You despicable fool!’ will be liable to the fiery Gehenna.

Gehenna = the rubbish tip outside of Jerusalem.
Jim

Ah, yes.
The usual hide-behind-the- scriptures approach.
I've found this is a common tactic of the pseudo-Christian wtbts mob.
Answering straight questions seems beyond their logical capacity.
Brooklyn brainwashig inc. has done a fantastic job.

Pity, really.
"You shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free".
Who is "The Truth", James?
Do you know Him as part of your very being? experience His touch in your life every moment?
Because
"Those whom the Son sets free are free indeed!".

In the freedom of Christ, then,  the I AM who is the Truth, I ask again for a straight answer;
Would I be better of dead than transfused?
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
Ah, yes.
The usual hide-behind-the- scriptures approach.
I've found this is a common tactic of the pseudo-Christian wtbts mob.
Answering straight questions seems beyond their logical capacity.
Brooklyn brainwashig inc. has done a fantastic job.

Pity, really.
"You shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free".
Who is "The Truth", James?
Do you know Him as part of your very being? experience His touch in your life every moment?
Because
"Those whom the Son sets free are free indeed!".

In the freedom of Christ, then,  the I AM who is the Truth, I ask again for a straight answer;
Would I be better of dead than transfused?


I think a good start for you might be to get strait what is meant by the term the I AM, once you get that strait you might be able to move on.




1 Corinthians 4:6
Do not go beyond the things that are written, in order that you may not be puffed up individually in favour of the one against the other.

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