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JamesJah

Who is God?

How can Christians worship with spirit and truth, if they think the spirit is God?
Ketty

Re: Who is God?

JamesJah wrote:
How can Christians worship with spirit and truth, if they think the spirit is God?



" . . . a time is coming and has now come when the true worshippers will worship the Father* in the Spirit* and in truth, for they are the kind of worshippers the Father* seeks.   God* is spirit, and His worshippers must worship in the Spirit* and in truth."



* I AM: the triune Godhead - God the Father, God the Spirit, God the Son.
JamesJah

How do Christians use spirit to worship the Father?
Ketty

Re: Who is God?

JamesJah wrote:
How do Christians use spirit to worship the Father?



". . . no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit*. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit* gives birth to spirit.  You should not be surprised at my saying, “You must be born again.”   The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit*. "


* I AM: the triune Godhead - God the Father, God the Spirit, God the Son.
JamesJah

High Ketty

Where is this teaching in scripture I have never seen it?

* I AM: the triune Godhead - God the Father, God the Spirit, God the Son.
Ketty

JamesJah wrote:
High Ketty

Where is this teaching in scripture I have never seen it?

* I AM: the triune Godhead - God the Father, God the Spirit, God the Son.


Hi James

The triune nature of God is revealed throughout Scripture.  
Jim

Who said anything about "Using the Spirit"?
Since is a person, part of the triune Godhead, no-one can 'use' Him.
He can, does, and will, use us, though!
PTL!
JamesJah

Ketty wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
High Ketty

Where is this teaching in scripture I have never seen it?

* I AM: the triune Godhead - God the Father, God the Spirit, God the Son.


Hi James

The triune nature of God is revealed throughout Scripture.  



How does the bible teach a trinity with statements like these?

Revelation 3:1
These are the things that he says who has the seven spirits of God.

Revelation 4:5, 6
seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, and these mean the seven spirits of God.


Revelation 5:6, 7
having seven horns and seven eyes, which [eyes] mean the seven spirits of God that have been sent forth into the whole earth.
Jim

www.sbclife.org/Articles/2009/05/sla4.asp
JamesJah

Why are there seven spirits then?
Jim

You obviously did not read my above link, James.
Either that or you are skilled at speed discernment.
JamesJah

Does a spirit need a body to operate it, how is one filled with the spirit if it is a god?
JamesJah

What is Jesus in this case??

1 Peter 3:18, 19
he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit.


1 Corinthians 3:16, 17
Do you not know that you people are God’s temple, and that the spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] you people are.
Ketty

Jim wrote:
www.sbclife.org/Articles/2009/05/sla4.asp


Jim

How is one filled with the Spirit?
Read Acts.
All of it - that might give you a teeny clue.
Or ask someone who has had such an experience.
( clue: I'm available for questioning...)
JamesJah

Hallow Jim

Do you become a part of the trinity when you are filled with the spirit????
Jim

Nope.
But God, in all His immensity, graciously entered my life when I asked Him to.
He's still here.
LeClerc

Re: Who is God?

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
How can Christians worship with spirit and truth, if they think the spirit is God?


From the New World Translation

2 Corinthians 3
17 Now Jehovah is the Spirit; and where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom.18And all of us, while we with unveiled faces reflect like mirrors the glory of Jehovah, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, exactly as done by Jehovah [the] Spirit.

LeClerc
JamesJah

Jim wrote:
How is one filled with the Spirit?
Read Acts.
All of it - that might give you a teeny clue.
Or ask someone who has had such an experience.
( clue: I'm available for questioning...)


Do you read with understanding Jim or do you some how miss what is actually being said?

Acts 1:5
but you will be baptized in holy spirit not many days after this.


Acts 2:18-21
Even upon my men slaves and upon my women slaves I will pour out some of my spirit in those days,
They will prophesy.
I will give portents in heaven above and signs on earth below, blood and fire and smoke mist; the sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the great and illustrious day of Jehovah arrives.  

Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.

Acts 2:33
Therefore because he was exalted to the right hand of God

and received the promised holy spirit from the Father,

he has poured out this which you see and hear.
LeClerc

Re: Who is God?

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
How can Christians worship with spirit and truth, if they think the spirit is God?


From the New World Translation

2 Corinthians 3
17 Now Jehovah is the Spirit; and where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom.18And all of us, while we with unveiled faces reflect like mirrors the glory of Jehovah, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, exactly as done by Jehovah [the] Spirit.

LeClerc
Jim

I read with understanding, James, and the continued leading of the Holy Spirit, without the misdirection of the faithless slave of the WT.
JamesJah

What is bitterness of spirit?

Genesis 26:35
They were a source of bitterness of spirit to Isaac and Rebekah.
LeClerc

Re: Who is God?

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
How can Christians worship with spirit and truth, if they think the spirit is God?


From the New World Translation

2 Corinthians 3
17 Now Jehovah is the Spirit; and where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom.18And all of us, while we with unveiled faces reflect like mirrors the glory of Jehovah, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, exactly as done by Jehovah [the] Spirit.

In the above passage, YHWH is ???

LeClerc
JamesJah

Who are these?

Hebrews 1:13, 14
But with reference to which one of the angels has he ever said: Sit at my right hand, until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet? Are they not all spirits for public service, sent forth to minister for those who are going to inherit salvation?
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
Who are these?

Hebrews 1:13, 14
But with reference to which one of the angels has he ever said: Sit at my right hand, until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet? Are they not all spirits for public service, sent forth to minister for those who are going to inherit salvation?


The passage you quote bears no relevance to

From the New World Translation

2 Corinthians 3
17 Now Jehovah is the Spirit; and where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom.18And all of us, while we with unveiled faces reflect like mirrors the glory of Jehovah, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, exactly as done by Jehovah [the] Spirit.

Who is it who gives life.

John 6
63"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

LeClerc
JamesJah

So is the spirit a god, or something that can keep people alive??
Jim

Niether.
He IS God.
Not an electric force;
Not 'radar' ( nice advance in wrong thinking by Brooklyn Central there....)
God.
As The Father is God.
As the Son iss God.
One God, Triune in nature.
JamesJah

These words have been written down by means of Holy Spirit, do you accept what the spirit teaches you?

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God.
Jim

'the Christ'
Appalling - though typical NWT mistranslation noted.
What's your problem?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
So is the spirit a god,


YHWH is the Spirit

2 Corinthians 3
17 Now Jehovah is the Spirit; and where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom.18And all of us, while we with unveiled faces reflect like mirrors the glory of Jehovah, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, exactly as done by Jehovah [the] Spirit.

JamesJah wrote:
or something that can keep people alive??


You are confusing ''Ruach'' with ''Neshamah''

Genesis 7
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath ( Hebrew Neshamah) of the spirit (Hebrew Ruach) of life, of all that was on the dry land, died.

LeClerc
JamesJah

How did Jesus recieve the spirit from the Father, and which spirit was it that he recieved?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
How did Jesus recieve the spirit from the Father, and which spirit was it that he recieved?


Scripture please.

LeClerc
JamesJah

Acts 2:33
Therefore because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out this which you see and hear.



1 Corinthians 2:14-16
But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them], because they are examined spiritually. However, the spiritual man examines indeed all things, but he himself is not examined by any man. For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, that he may instruct him? But we do have the mind of Christ.

1 Corinthians 2:11-13
For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit of man that is in him? So, too, no one has come to know the things of God, except the spirit of God. Now we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God, that we might know the things that have been kindly given us by God. These things we also speak, not with words taught by human wisdom, but with those taught by [the] spirit, as we combine spiritual [matters] with spiritual [words].
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Acts 2:33
Therefore because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out this which you see and hear.

1 Corinthians 2:14-16
But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them], because they are examined spiritually. However, the spiritual man examines indeed all things, but he himself is not examined by any man. For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, that he may instruct him? But we do have the mind of Christ.

1 Corinthians 2:11-13
For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit of man that is in him? So, too, no one has come to know the things of God, except the spirit of God. Now we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God, that we might know the things that have been kindly given us by God. These things we also speak, not with words taught by human wisdom, but with those taught by [the] spirit, as we combine spiritual [matters] with spiritual [words].


Thank you for posting the above.

Turning for a minute to Romans 8 from the New World Translation.
9However, ​YOU​ are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in ​YOU. But if anyone does not have Christ’s spirit, this one does not belong to him.

In the above passage James, is God's spirit and Christ's spirit one and the same spirit ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

This is where the understanding of the spirit understood by JW’s parts company from the Trinitarian LerClerc.

You might ask which spirit Christ received at his baptism, or what spirit did he get when he returned to Jehovah to sit at his right hand?

I find most humans are unable to distinguish between the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
This is where the understanding of the spirit understood by JW’s parts company from the Trinitarian LerClerc.

You might ask which spirit Christ received at his baptism, or what spirit did he get when he returned to Jehovah to sit at his right hand?

I find most humans are unable to distinguish between the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.


What I asked James was a simple question which a child of YHWH should be able to answer.

Turning for a minute to Romans 8 from the New World Translation.
9However, ​YOU​ are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in ​YOU. But if anyone does not have Christ’s spirit, this one does not belong to him.

In the above passage James, is God's spirit and Christ's spirit one and the same spirit ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

The scripture does say LerClerc, that the spirit was given him by God does it not, should I say at this point Almighty God his Father whom he sits at the right hand of, just to avoid any confusion.
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
The scripture does say LerClerc, that the spirit was given him by God does it not, should I say at this point Almighty God his Father whom he sits at the right hand of, just to avoid any confusion.


Psalm 110 NWT
5Jehovah himself at your right hand Will certainly break kings to pieces on the day of his anger.

In the above passage YHWH is at the right hand of whom ?

Acts 2
17‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people.

In the above passage who is it who pours out His Spirit ?

Acts 2
33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.

In the above passage who poured out what ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

As the last days are nearly over, you should not have far to look for those who have benefitted from the pouring out of Jehovah’s spirit LerClerc. Why not take notice of what they can teach you rather than leaning on your own understanding?

Proverbs 3:5, 6
Trust in Jehovah with all your heart and do not lean upon your own understanding. In all your ways take notice of him, and he himself will make your paths straight.


Micah 4:2-4
many nations will certainly go and say: Come, you people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths. For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. And he will certainly render judgment among many peoples, and set matters straight respecting mighty nations far away. And they will have to beat their swords into ploughshares and their spears into pruning shears. They will not lift up sword, nation against nation; neither will they learn war anymore. And they will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making [them] tremble; for the very mouth of Jehovah of armies has spoken [it].
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
As the last days are nearly over, you should not have far to look for those who have benefitted from the pouring out of Jehovah’s spirit LerClerc. Why not take notice of what they can teach you rather than leaning on your own understanding?

Proverbs 3:5, 6
Trust in Jehovah with all your heart and do not lean upon your own understanding. In all your ways take notice of him, and he himself will make your paths straight.


Micah 4:2-4
many nations will certainly go and say: Come, you people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths. For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. And he will certainly render judgment among many peoples, and set matters straight respecting mighty nations far away. And they will have to beat their swords into ploughshares and their spears into pruning shears. They will not lift up sword, nation against nation; neither will they learn war anymore. And they will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making [them] tremble; for the very mouth of Jehovah of armies has spoken [it].


Yes James trust in YHWH with all our heart, not the teachings of Babylon which the WBTS is part of.

Revelation 18
4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

Come out of her James whilst there is still time.

LeClerc
JamesJah

So who do you recommend is the way of the truth in this enlightened age LerClerc???
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
So who do you recommend is the way of the truth in this enlightened age LerClerc???


If you claim to know Him then why the question James ?

John 14
5 T'oma says to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going. How can we know the way?"
6 Yeshua said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.
7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on, you know him, and have seen him."


LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
As the last days are nearly over, you should not have far to look for those who have benefitted from the pouring out of Jehovah’s spirit LerClerc. Why not take notice of what they can teach you rather than leaning on your own understanding?

Proverbs 3:5, 6
Trust in Jehovah with all your heart and do not lean upon your own understanding. In all your ways take notice of him, and he himself will make your paths straight.


Micah 4:2-4
many nations will certainly go and say: Come, you people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths. For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. And he will certainly render judgment among many peoples, and set matters straight respecting mighty nations far away. And they will have to beat their swords into ploughshares and their spears into pruning shears. They will not lift up sword, nation against nation; neither will they learn war anymore. And they will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making [them] tremble; for the very mouth of Jehovah of armies has spoken [it].


Yes James trust in YHWH with all our heart, not the teachings of Babylon which the WBTS is part of.

Revelation 18
4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

Come out of her James whilst there is still time.

LeClerc


Still trying to put a square peg i n a round hole I see LerClerc



John 6:66-69
Owing to this many of his disciples went off to the things behind and would no longer walk with him. Therefore Jesus said to the twelve: you do not want to go also, do you? Simon Peter answered him: Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life; and we have believed and come to know that you are the Holy One of God.
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
As the last days are nearly over, you should not have far to look for those who have benefitted from the pouring out of Jehovah’s spirit LerClerc. Why not take notice of what they can teach you rather than leaning on your own understanding?

Proverbs 3:5, 6
Trust in Jehovah with all your heart and do not lean upon your own understanding. In all your ways take notice of him, and he himself will make your paths straight.


Micah 4:2-4
many nations will certainly go and say: Come, you people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths. For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. And he will certainly render judgment among many peoples, and set matters straight respecting mighty nations far away. And they will have to beat their swords into ploughshares and their spears into pruning shears. They will not lift up sword, nation against nation; neither will they learn war anymore. And they will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making [them] tremble; for the very mouth of Jehovah of armies has spoken [it].


Yes James trust in YHWH with all our heart, not the teachings of Babylon which the WBTS is part of.

Revelation 18
4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

Come out of her James whilst there is still time.

LeClerc


Still trying to put a square peg i n a round hole I see LerClerc

John 6:66-69
Owing to this many of his disciples went off to the things behind and would no longer walk with him. Therefore Jesus said to the twelve: you do not want to go also, do you? Simon Peter answered him: Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life; and we have believed and come to know that you are the Holy One of God.


It is the Spirit who gives life James not a religious organisation.

John 6
63 It is the Spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.

LeClerc
JamesJah

Quite LerClerclerc

So what is all the bit about a trinity?
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Quite LerClerclerc

So what is all the bit about a trinity?


Firstly James you are the one who posted.

JamesJah wrote:


The bath must wash away all Babylon teachings LerClerc, the person has to be humble enough to give up deeply entrenched ideas, that he thought made him great in the nation, and take on the mantle of a servant of the most high as Jesus did when he washed the feet of his chosen ones


Were you not ?

The Mikveh James must wash away all sin. Only the blood of Messiah Y'shua can do this.

Those who are immersed into Messiah Y'shua, have been immersed into his death, and through this immersion we are buried with Him, and just as Messiah Y'shua was raised from the dead we too are raised to live a new life in Him by grace through faith.

When you were immersed James, into whose Name was it ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Do you discern the body is the question to ask or who is the temple then have you come across the faithful and discreet slave, all these are the building blocks of the kingdom that is now taking over the earthly rule.

1 Corinthians 11:29
For he that eats and drinks eats and drinks judgment against himself if he does not discern the body.

1 Corinthians 3:16, 17
Do you not know that you people are God’s temple, and that the spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] you people are.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Do you discern the body is the question to ask or who is the temple then have you come across the faithful and discreet slave, all these are the building blocks of the kingdom that is now taking over the earthly rule.

1 Corinthians 11:29
For he that eats and drinks eats and drinks judgment against himself if he does not discern the body.

1 Corinthians 3:16, 17
Do you not know that you people are God’s temple, and that the spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] you people are.


It is by one Spirit believers are immersed into one body.

1 Corinthians 12
13 For by one Spirit we were all immersed into one body, whether Yehudim or Yevanim, whether bond or free; and were all given to drink into one Spirit.

We are discussing immersion in water as commanded by Y'shua.

To make it clear.

When you were immersed in water James, into whose Name was it ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Still stuck in the groove LerClerc?

If Jehovah sent you a messenger with a messeage how would you know?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Still stuck in the groove LerClerc?

If Jehovah sent you a messenger with a messeage how would you know?


Diversion tactics again James.

However in answer to your question, through the the witnessing of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

Now James

When you were immersed in water James, into whose Name was it ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Still here LerClerc


Over ther resurrection I am being tried????

Where did you get your spirit from LerClerc?
LeClerc

Simple question James

When you were immersed in water James, into whose Name was it ?

Why are you unable to answer ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

I am very rarely immersed in water these days LerClerc

I do shower occasionally
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JamesJah wrote:
I am very rarely immersed in water these days LerClerc

I do shower occasionally


Blimey, I hope you supply those who are in your vicinity with clothes pegs for their noses!
JamesJah

Because of those that are unable to get in or out of a bath, we have a walk in wash room. I was wondering who would pick up on my comment, the way you did, then a lot of people who come here have little knowledge of the Christian way, is that not so?
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JamesJah wrote:
Because of those that are unable to get in or out of a bath, we have a walk in wash room. I was wondering who would pick up on my comment, the way you did, then a lot of people who come here have little knowledge of the Christian way, is that not so?


What the hell has Christianity got to do with ablutions?
JamesJah

What has it to do with treating people as we would like to be treated?

Revelation 7:14, 15

They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

That is why they are before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; . . .
LeClerc

Morning james

JamesJah wrote:
I am very rarely immersed in water these days LerClerc

I do shower occasionally


Acts 2
41 Then those who gladly received his word were immersed. There were added that day about three thousand souls.

Simple question James

When you were immersed in water James, into whose Name was it ?

Why are you unable to answer ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

LerClerc

I have been baptised, confirmed and dedicated now which do you wish to pick the bones out of?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LerClerc

I have been baptised, confirmed and dedicated now which do you wish to pick the bones out of?


When you were immersed in water James, into whose Name was it ?

Why are you unable to answer ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

You tell me how many gods you worship and I will answer your question LerClerc.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
You tell me how many gods you worship and I will answer your question LerClerc.


One God, His Name is YHWH.

Now your answer please.

LeClerc
JamesJah

Who is the god of this world then is that two gods?
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
You tell me how many gods you worship and I will answer your question LerClerc.


So when you say you will answer the question you mean you won't.

LeClerc
JamesJah

LeClerc wrote:
Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
You tell me how many gods you worship and I will answer your question LerClerc.


So when you say you will answer the question you mean you won't.

LeClerc


Keeping up with which is which after a while can be a challenge especially if I have not had my nap.

This is what I was dedicated in ok>>>

Matthew 28:19, 20
Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And, look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.
JamesJah

By the way LerClerc this is not the name of the Hebrew God>>

One God, His Name is YHWH.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
You tell me how many gods you worship and I will answer your question LerClerc.


So when you say you will answer the question you mean you won't.

LeClerc


Keeping up with which is which after a while can be a challenge especially if I have not had my nap.

This is what I was dedicated in ok>>>

Matthew 28:19, 20
Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And, look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.


The question I asked was not, who you was dedicated in, the question was

When you were immersed in water James, into whose Name was it ?

Acts 2
41 Then those who gladly received his word were immersed. There were added that day about three thousand souls.

Why are you unable to answer ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Matthew 28:19, 20
Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And, look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Matthew 28:19, 20
Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And, look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.


So James into whose death have you been immersed.

From your reply are you saying you have been immesred into the death of The Father and The Holy Spirit as well as The Son?

Romans 6
3 Don’t you know that those of us who have been immersed into the Messiah Yeshua have been immersed into his death? 4 Through immersion into his death we were buried with him; so that just as, through the glory of the Father, the Messiah was raised from the dead, likewise we too might live a new life.

LeClerc
JamesJah

Who were the we that might be raised LerClerc?

Those of the first resurrection?

The body of Christ?

Or the anointed?
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
Who were the we that might be raised LerClerc?

Those of the first resurrection?

The body of Christ?

Or the anointed?


Were the we asked the following questions before being immersed.

Watchtower - 1985 Jun 1 p.30

"The first question is:
On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?

The second is:
Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism."

LeClerc
JamesJah

Yes LerClerc

I was baptised long before then so pick a earlier WT.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
Yes LerClerc

I was baptised long before then so pick a earlier WT.


Then why the need for the change ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

If you understood who the anointed are you would not have to ask that question LerClerc

Do you know what hoe the great crowed have or what is the future of the sheep separated from the goats?
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
If you understood who the anointed are you would not have to ask that question LerClerc

Do you know what hoe the great crowed have or what is the future of the sheep separated from the goats?


Still no answer from you then James.

Lest rephrase the question when the anointed, as you call them, are immersed in water, into whose Name is it ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

The name of Almighty God who else?
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
The name of Almighty God who else?


So James according to your post the early disciples were immersed into the Name of Almighty God ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

Whose name was Jesus baptised into?

Whose name did the Hebrew nation get baptised into?
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Whose name was Jesus baptised into?


Y'shua submitted to the immersion of John did he not.

JamesJah wrote:
Whose name did the Hebrew nation get baptised into?


Acts 2
41Then those who gladly received his word were immersed. There were added that day about three thousand souls.

Into whose Name were the three thousand immersed ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

I have told you once LerClerc, why do you keep asking?

You seem to know that the baptism has kept changing so what is your problem now?
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
I have told you once LerClerc, why do you keep asking?

You seem to know that the baptism has kept changing so what is your problem now?


Okay James. just so there can be no misunderstanding.

Acts 2
41Then those who gladly received his word were immersed. There were added that day about three thousand souls.

Into whose Name were the three thousand immersed ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

LerClerc
I gave you the scripture a number of posts back so why do you persist in acting as though you have not?
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
LerClerc
I gave you the scripture a number of posts back so why do you persist in acting as though you have not?


You should have no problem repeating it then.

Okay James. just so there can be no misunderstanding.

Acts 2
41Then those who gladly received his word were immersed. There were added that day about three thousand souls.

Into whose Name were the three thousand immersed ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
You tell me how many gods you worship and I will answer your question LerClerc.


So when you say you will answer the question you mean you won't.

LeClerc


Keeping up with which is which after a while can be a challenge especially if I have not had my nap.

This is what I was dedicated in ok>>>

Matthew 28:19, 20
Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And, look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.



Just so there is no misunderstanding, the word of God is what we have to be obedient too.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
JamesJah wrote:
LeClerc wrote:
Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
You tell me how many gods you worship and I will answer your question LerClerc.


So when you say you will answer the question you mean you won't.

LeClerc


Keeping up with which is which after a while can be a challenge especially if I have not had my nap.

This is what I was dedicated in ok>>>

Matthew 28:19, 20
Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And, look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.



Just so there is no misunderstanding, the word of God is what we have to be obedient too.


Really james

Watchtower - 1985 Jun 1 p.30

"The first question is:
On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?

The second is:
Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism."

The above from the Watchtower confirms that rather than being obedient to the word of God, prior to immersion, a Witness must prove they intricately know Watchtower doctrine and law, and then devote themselves to "God's spirit-directed organization" - the Watchtower Society.

LeClerc
JamesJah

You LerClerc have the same problem as those who do not keep up with Jehovah’s chariot but keep locked into yesterdays light.

Ezekiel 1:20, 21
Wherever the spirit inclined to go, they would go, the spirit [inclining] to go there; and the wheels themselves would be lifted up close alongside them, for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels. When they went, these would go; and when they stood still, these would stand still; and when they were lifted up from the earth, the wheels would be lifted up close alongside them, for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
Ezekiel 1:26, 27
he likeness of a throne. And upon the likeness of the throne there was a likeness of someone in appearance like an earthling man upon it, up above. And I got to see something like the glow of electrum,

Ezekiel 2:5
As for them, whether they will hear or will refrain—for they are a rebellious house—they will certainly know also that a prophet himself happened to be in the midst of them.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
You LerClerc have the same problem as those who do not keep up with Jehovah’s chariot but keep locked into yesterdays light.

Ezekiel 1:20, 21
Wherever the spirit inclined to go, they would go, the spirit [inclining] to go there; and the wheels themselves would be lifted up close alongside them, for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels. When they went, these would go; and when they stood still, these would stand still; and when they were lifted up from the earth, the wheels would be lifted up close alongside them, for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
Ezekiel 1:26, 27
he likeness of a throne. And upon the likeness of the throne there was a likeness of someone in appearance like an earthling man upon it, up above. And I got to see something like the glow of electrum,

Ezekiel 2:5
As for them, whether they will hear or will refrain—for they are a rebellious house—they will certainly know also that a prophet himself happened to be in the midst of them.


No answer then James as usual

Watchtower - 1985 Jun 1 p.30

"The first question is:
On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?

The second is:
Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism."

The above from the Watchtower confirms that rather than being obedient to the word of God, prior to immersion, a Witness must prove they intricately know Watchtower doctrine and law, and then devote themselves to "God's spirit-directed organization" - the Watchtower Society.

LeClerc
JamesJah

Was there something wrong with the Baptism of John LerC;erc?
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
Was there something wrong with the Baptism of John LerC;erc?


What does scripture teach james

Acts 19
19 While Apollos was in Corinth, Sha’ul completed his travels through the inland country and arrived at Ephesus, where he found a few talmidim. 2 He asked them, “Did you receive the Ruach HaKodesh when you came to trust?” “No,” they said to him, “we have never even heard that there is such a thing as the Ruach HaKodesh.” 3 “In that case,” he said, “into what were you immersed?” “The immersion of Yochanan,” they answered. 4 Sha’ul said, “Yochanan practiced an immersion in connection with turning from sin to God; but he told the people to put their trust in the one who would come after him, that is, in Yeshua.” 5 On hearing this, they were immersed into the name of the Lord Yeshua; 6 and when Sha’ul placed his hands on them, the Ruach HaKodesh came upon them; so that they began speaking in tongues and prophesying. 7 In all, there were about twelve of these men.

LeClerc
JamesJah

With the baptism of Moses how many baptisms is that?
LeClerc

Afternoon James

JamesJah wrote:
With the baptism of Moses how many baptisms is that?


Since Y'shua's death and resurrection what was Peter's message.

Acts 2
38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and be immersed, everyone of you, in the name of Yeshua the Messiah for the forgiveness of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Ruach HaKodesh.

There is a reluctance to receive the message of salvation and exchange it for the teachings of Babylon.

Those who received Peters message were obedient.

41Then those who gladly received his word were immersed. There were added that day about three thousand souls.

Since when has there been a change in the message Peter preached ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

How many?
LeClerc

Evening James

JamesJah wrote:
How many?


Do you want me to include the Mikveh for women also.

Still with elementary principles James ?

Hebrews 6
6 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Messiah, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of immersions, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Since Y'shua's death and resurrection what was Peter's message.

Acts 2
38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and be immersed, everyone of you, in the name of Yeshua the Messiah for the forgiveness of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Ruach HaKodesh.

There is a reluctance to receive the message of salvation and exchange it for the teachings of Babylon.

Those who received Peters message were obedient.

41Then those who gladly received his word were immersed. There were added that day about three thousand souls.

Since when has there been a change in the message Peter preached ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

When the Great crowed came to be identified.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
When the Great crowed came to be identified.


Is that Babylon's understanding or does it come from scripture.

If from scripture you should have no problem in posting the scripture.

LeClerc
JamesJah

See for your self LerClerc

Do those of Babylon the Great know who these are yet?

Romans 8:19
For the eager expectation of the creation is waiting for the revealing of the sons of God.
LeClerc

Morning James

JamesJah wrote:
See for your self LerClerc

Do those of Babylon the Great know who these are yet?

Romans 8:19
For the eager expectation of the creation is waiting for the revealing of the sons of God.


So the message that Peter preached on the festival of Shavu‘ot has not been changed yet ?

So the changes the WBTS has made to the requirements for immersion into Messiah are not scriptural.

LeClerc
JamesJah

Every thing changed when Jesus sat down on his glorious throne, and cast Satan out of heaven LerClerc, unless you are among those saying when did we see you?

Matthew 25:44
Then they also will answer with the words, ‘Lord, when did we see you
LeClerc

Hi James

JamesJah wrote:
Every thing changed when Jesus sat down on his glorious throne, and cast Satan out of heaven LerClerc, unless you are among those saying when did we see you?

Matthew 25:44
Then they also will answer with the words, ‘Lord, when did we see you


Then your Babylonian Organisation you profess to be part of really has some probelms James.

Quote:

"A Christian, therefore, cannot be baptized in the name of the one actually doing the immersing or in the name of any man, nor in the name of any organization, but in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit." Watchtower 1955 Jul 1 p.411


Now James when does the organisation you profess to belong too teach that Y'shua sat down on his glorious throne, and cast Satan out of heaven ?

LeClerc
JamesJah

What does the bible teach LerClerc?

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