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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do have evidence to back your assertion that Mary was pregnant by Joseph before they married, don't you, floo?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that the Christian history of its opinions on womanhood is best not only overlooked but violently and aggressively rejected as the foul, toxic, ignorant, irrational, superstitious trash it is which has caused untold, incalculable, unimaginable suffering, misery, pain and harm in the world.

Since you're asking.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still not seeing the evidence - from floo - to back her assertions, though.

And, please, Shaker, don't lump all Christians in one pot!
I'm the first to criticise the Cofs archaic practice and procedure, but there is absolutely no difference in the role of men or women in the kirk - or outside it, for that matter.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You do have evidence to back your assertion that Mary was pregnant by Joseph before they married, don't you, floo?


I said she was pregnant by Joseph or another guy before she tied the knot. The idea that any deity inseminated her is highly unlikely.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And, please, Shaker, don't lump all Christians in one pot!


The only one pot that all "Christians" piss in is very visibly marked "Jesus."

Call it "Jesus" and and you can justify, rationalise, excuse and explain away absolutely anything and everything that you feel like believing and/or doing.

By all means tell me that I am practically and historically wrong.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Floo wrote:
Jim wrote:
You do have evidence to back your assertion that Mary was pregnant by Joseph before they married, don't you, floo?


I said she was pregnant by Joseph or another guy before she tied the knot. The idea that any deity inseminated her is highly unlikely.


Ah....so you have no evidence to back up your assertion.
Thanks for the clarification.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Floo wrote:
I said she was pregnant by Joseph or another guy before she tied the knot. The idea that any deity inseminated her is highly unlikely.


Pardon me for being crude. I have a literalist mindset that I just can't get over, under, around, past or through. I'm a facts and details man. Can't help it. It's the way I am.

Insemination, as far as I understand the process, involves the meeting of a single spermatozooan and an ovum and the piercing of the latter by the genetic material of the former, generally (though in recent years not necessarily, given IVF and what-have-you) by the deposition of semen in the vaginal tract of a female through penetrative heterosexual sexual intercourse.

I think I have a fairly good grasp of the process by which creatures are made anew.

This being so how did a non-physical, non-material, non-material entity manage this (usually rather pleasant) process, please?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And, please, Shaker, don't lump all Christians in one pot!


The only one pot that all "Christians" piss in is very visibly marked "Jesus."

Call it "Jesus" and and you can justify, rationalise, excuse and explain away absolutely anything and everything that you feel like believing and/or doing.

By all means tell me that I am practically and historically wrong.


Historically?
Yes.
Much of church history is pppered with misogynism - where men stuck THEIR ideas onto church doctrine, without actually bothering to look at what Christ said - and did.
For His time, his attitudes toward women were radical and scandalous!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim wrote:
For His time, his attitudes toward women were radical and scandalous!

Really?

Such as?


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