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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:31 pm    Post subject: The old testament  Reply with quote

How much of the OT should christians read/be aware of? On the BBC board, you come across people who look like they started at Genesis and Exodus then went straight on to Matthew. Is the Jewish interaction with their god largely irrelevant to christians?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:49 pm    Post subject: Re: The old testament Reply with quote

Silver wrote:
How much of the OT should christians read/be aware of? On the BBC board, you come across people who look like they started at Genesis and Exodus then went straight on to Matthew. Is the Jewish interaction with their god largely irrelevant to christians?


Interesting.

The most important books are the Gospels. Most Christians would advise starting there, then reading the rest of the NT, and moving into the OT afterwards. Once in the OT, most begin with the more familiar stories - so Exodus is popular.

In Church, there is an OT reading read aloud each week - some parts more popular than others.
There are parts of the OT I am much less familiar with - particularly the later prophets. I would encourage all to read the Book of Job though - it's one of my personal favourites.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhhh but the problem is the gospels were created to negate the vast majority of the Jewish texts.

To keep the notion of the one god without the nastiness of some of it's 'laws'.

Which is why Jesus, as a Torah observant Jew, would abhor what is being taught in his 'name'........
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:29 pm    Post subject: Re: The old testament Reply with quote

Silver wrote:
How much of the OT should christians read/be aware of? On the BBC board, you come across people who look like they started at Genesis and Exodus then went straight on to Matthew. Is the Jewish interaction with their god largely irrelevant to christians?


I would ask of you, "what or who asked you to ask this question?"
The OT is the only true scripture of YHWH it is the only scripture to which the Apostles or Jesus Christ referred to as being the Word of God.

Two things you have to do is show what you have said to be correct.
There is nothing in Christianity which shows any believer to be able to go straight from Genesis and Exodus to Matthew. So where did you get this idea from?  As for the Jewish interaction with their God, they believe you cannot have a one to one relationship with their God.
This shows what you have asked does not come from knowledge of Judaism.
I have not seen anything on the BBC board which would really suggest
the above.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:19 am    Post subject: Re: The old testament Reply with quote

jesusislord wrote:
Silver wrote:
How much of the OT should christians read/be aware of? On the BBC board, you come across people who look like they started at Genesis and Exodus then went straight on to Matthew. Is the Jewish interaction with their god largely irrelevant to christians?


I would ask of you, "what or who asked you to ask this question?"



I can think for myself so don't need prompting. I asked this question based on the limited knowledge of the OT that many christians seem to display. They have a vague knowledge, knowing the bits everyone knows but seem to have wide gaps on most of the other stuff.

Job to me seems like a cross between a sermon and a rant. It has written it in the form of a story though, where god and the devil happen to meet one day and have a bet which of course, god wins. It's the sort of think I could imagine an ancient Rudyard Kipling writing.
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The thing is Christians cherry-pick the bits from the Jewish Bible they think they can attach to their version of God...

But with further reading you find that what they think it means falls woefully short of what it actually means..

The truth is what they have been taught absolutely contradicts what a real scholar of the Hebrew texts knows..

Incredulously christian scholars think they have the right countermand what the Jews know their texts mean...

Arrogance yes..  misinformation yes.... Truth?

They are taking the piss.....  christians wouldn't know the truth even if 'dog' pissed it up on their leg....
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:37 pm    Post subject: Re: The old testament Reply with quote

jesusislord wrote:
Silver wrote:
How much of the OT should christians read/be aware of? On the BBC board, you come across people who look like they started at Genesis and Exodus then went straight on to Matthew. Is the Jewish interaction with their god largely irrelevant to christians?


I would ask of you, "what or who asked you to ask this question?"


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I can think for myself so don't need prompting. I asked this question based on the limited knowledge of the OT that many christians seem to display. They have a vague knowledge, knowing the bits everyone knows but seem to have wide gaps on most of the other stuff.


I think your observation is lacking evidence. Would you care to relate the parts they miss and why they would be deemed necessary for the believer to know?

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Job to me seems like a cross between a sermon and a rant. It has written it in the form of a story though, where god and the devil happen to meet one day and have a bet which of course, god wins. It's the sort of think I could imagine an ancient Rudyard Kipling writing.


I guess you never understood the book of Job.
Your opinion does not surprise me.

The view from your home looked better in winter.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:28 am    Post subject: Re: The old testament Reply with quote

Silver wrote:
How much of the OT should christians read/be aware of? On the BBC board, you come across people who look like they started at Genesis and Exodus then went straight on to Matthew. Is the Jewish interaction with their god largely irrelevant to christians?


If you take into consideration that the Messiah, all His disciples, the apostles and the Jewish worshippers only had the Old Testament scriptures to refer to then you'll realise  the importance of the OT. Timothy learnt of salvation on his mothers knee being read the scriptures (OT) as a child.

Stephen used a passage from Isaiah to open the way for the eunuch. Stephen used the OT in his speech before being stoned and of course Messiah himself, on the road to Emaus, spoke of himself beginning with Moses and all the prophets.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Farmer Geddon wrote:
The thing is Christians cherry-pick the bits from the Jewish Bible they think they can attach to their version of God...

But with further reading you find that what they think it means falls woefully short of what it actually means..

The truth is what they have been taught absolutely contradicts what a real scholar of the Hebrew texts knows..

Incredulously christian scholars think they have the right countermand what the Jews know their texts mean...

Arrogance yes..  misinformation yes.... Truth?

They are taking the piss.....  christians wouldn't know the truth even if 'dog' pissed it up on their leg....


The scriptures, including the Old Testament, belong to the Church and it it is only through Christ that the Old Testament can be properly understood. When we read the Old Testament we must constantly look for Christ and the Church. When it comes to the Old Testament I would also argue that we should look to the Septuagint first. The reason being that if the Hebrew texts was the first step in written revalation then the Greek represent a new and even better step (yes, I believe the Septuagint to be, as the early Church did including the Apostles, and inspired translation, which speaks even more clearly of Christ than the Hebrew).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:18 am    Post subject: Re: The old testament Reply with quote

Lexilogio wrote:

The most important books are the Gospels. Most Christians would advise starting there, then reading the rest of the NT, and moving into the OT afterwards.


Yes.

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