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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:32 am    Post subject: Re: The old testament  Reply with quote

Paul wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:

The most important books are the Gospels. Most Christians would advise starting there, then reading the rest of the NT, and moving into the OT afterwards.


Yes.


After my conversion I wanted to know what had happened to me and why it was necessary. The first three chapters of Genesis provided the answer.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only if you believe it to be factual, which of course I don't.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: The old testament Reply with quote

agree with both Lexi and yourself on this, Paul.
I'd add, though, that the major and minor prophets are a must, as are the Psalms.
The O.T also contains theophanies and Christophanies which are markers to who God in Christ is.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:01 pm    Post subject: Re: The old testament Reply with quote

Truster wrote:
Paul wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:

The most important books are the Gospels. Most Christians would advise starting there, then reading the rest of the NT, and moving into the OT afterwards.


Yes.


After my conversion I wanted to know what had happened to me and why it was necessary. The first three chapters of Genesis provided the answer.


Interesting how different books speak to different people.
People who have known me for a few years know that the book of Job has always meant more to me than others.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:36 pm    Post subject: Re: The old testament Reply with quote

I take it you're with me in assuming Job is poetic allegory - or parable writ large, Lexi?
I know that the more...extreme branches of our faith take it as literal.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:44 pm    Post subject: Re: The old testament Reply with quote

Jim wrote:
I take it you're with me in assuming Job is poetic allegory - or parable writ large, Lexi?
I know that the more...extreme branches of our faith take it as literal.


So, would I be right in assuming that you believe Job to be allegorical and that Satan was not actually let loose on him and that he did not endure all the atrocities that he said he endured. If you think it is allegorical then what, may I ask, gives you that impression.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:31 pm    Post subject: Re: The old testament Reply with quote

The style in which it was written?
The fact that pre-Christian Jews regarded it as scripture, but in an allegorical sense?
I do not negate or diminish the impact of Job, nor the many truths contained within it, but equate it with the semi-allegorical nature of the first few chapters of Genesis.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:52 pm    Post subject: Re: The old testament Reply with quote

Jim wrote:
The style in which it was written?
The fact that pre-Christian Jews regarded it as scripture, but in an allegorical sense?
I do not negate or diminish the impact of Job, nor the many truths contained within it, but equate it with the semi-allegorical nature of the first few chapters of Genesis.


So, it is either your interpretation or the interpretation of the denomination that you belong to. Am I right is saying that their is nothing in Job that suggests it is allegorical, indeed, nothing in the scriptures suggests that Job is allergenic either. Would I be right in making that assumption?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:02 am    Post subject: Re: The old testament Reply with quote

Jim wrote:
The style in which it was written?
The fact that pre-Christian Jews regarded it as scripture, but in an allegorical sense?
I do not negate or diminish the impact of Job, nor the many truths contained within it, but equate it with the semi-allegorical nature of the first few chapters of Genesis.


I often here these claims regarding Genesis or Job but have seen little tl no evidence for it.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:56 am    Post subject: Re: The old testament Reply with quote

Paul;
Obviously, "allegory" is never a scriptural concept.
However, unless one subscribes to a complete, YEC literal interpretation of the first chapters of Genesis, I do not think that one can take allegory or parable out of the equation.
Certainly, Job was one of the earliest texts written which forms the Torah, the Pentateuch having been either written, or, in my opinion, very heavily edited, in the sixth/fifth centuries B.C.


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