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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 4:42 pm    Post subject: Book of James  Reply with quote

I was reading James, and was thinking about this verse:

Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.

It's from the NIT version. And I wondered if this was some of the justification some rich people feel for enjoying their wealth, instead of distributing it to the poor - or at least those who have worked for their wealth.

But when I looked at other versions:
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
The KJV is a little different. Blessed is he who endures temptation - not quite the same thing as a trial. A trial could be long hours, hard work, but a temptation is clearer.

The same verse in Greek:
Μακάριος ἀνὴρ ὃς ὑπομένει πειρασμόν, ὅτι δόκιμος γενόμενος λήμψεται τὸν στέφανον τῆς ζωῆς ὃν ἐπηγγείλατο τοῖς ἀγαπῶσιν αὐτόν.
The Greek uses "πειρασμόν" which means temptation.

I'm not making a point here as such, I just found it interesting, and wondered if others thought that the NIV was a mistranslation here?
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have also seen it written as "Blessed is one who endures a test, for when one has stood the test, that one will receive the crown of life which God has promised to those who love him."

The use of the word "trial" instead could just be trying to invoke, in the listener, the major trail in the gospels...
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who do you think wrote the Epistle of James?
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PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blessed is one who endures a test is interesting - but still not the same as temptation.
A test, like a trial, could be attributed to working hard - as opposed to following God's way.

The gospel of James was written by one of Jesus' disciples - I believe it's attributed to a cousin of Jesus.
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm There are several pointers that hint that the writer of this epistle never knew Jesus - so it's yet another of those; lets use a known name to give authority to this writing..

But back to your original point:

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I wondered if this was some of the justification some rich people feel for enjoying their wealth, instead of distributing it to the poor - or at least those who have worked for their wealth.


Surely part 5 of this letter, where the writer denounces the wicked rich kinda countermands this notion?

Or are you talking about the heathen rich?  LOL
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Surely part 5 of this letter, where the writer denounces the wicked rich kinda countermands this notion?

Or are you talking about the heathen rich?  LOL


True - book 5 does categorically denounce the rich.

And yet - you only have to look at the USA to see how many declare their Christianity while parading their wealth - even some who claim to be pastors.
Even in the UK - we are all considered rich in comparison to the rest of the world.

So how do these rich people who claim Christianity justify their wealth?
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are talking about these TV Evangelist Charlatans aren't you?
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lucifers Duck wrote:
You are talking about these TV Evangelist Charlatans aren't you?


I am.
How do they justify their wealth?
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno Lexi - But they should have 1 Timothy 6:10 tattooed on their foreheads and the verse tattooed on their forearm:

"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Equally there is a further argument in Timothy which suggests it's ok to be wealthy if you are generous and share.

"Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life."
-1 Timothy 6:17-19

But herein lies one of the great questions in any Church - how much is generous?


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