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Introduction to Original Christianity
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:02 am    Post subject: Introduction to Original Christianity  Reply with quote

This thread is dedicated to reflections, icons, prayers, quotes or anything relating directly to Eastern Orthodoxy, as passed down through the "living tradition" - and is not an area to dispute its content.

Orthodox Christianity is the life in faith of the Orthodox Church, inseparable from that concrete, historic community and encompassing its entire way of life. The Orthodox Christian faith is that faith "handed once to the saints" (Jude 3), passed on in Holy Tradition to the apostles by Jesus Christ, and then handed down from one generation to the next, without addition or subtraction.

The sole purpose of Orthodox Christianity is the salvation of every human person, uniting him to Christ in the Church, transforming him in holiness, and imparting eternal life. This is the Gospel, the good news, that Jesus is the Messiah, that he rose from the dead, and that we may be saved as a result. This is taken from: http://orthodoxwiki.org/Orthodox_Christianity

On a personal note: Most people will say to themselves at this point I have heard this before. Salvation is wholeness in every aspect of your life. One of the reasons I quit a cult that I was a member of before I was Orthodox, was because there was No Fruit in my life. The reasons were written right in front of my face, unhappiness, dejection, despondency, even depression... it had permeated every aspect of my life, financially, physically and spiritually. So, sometimes to get a different result we have to try a different recipe. I would encourage all those who desire more in their life to try the 'Original Recipe', even if you are already Orthodox... My effort in life is to live John 8:31-32 "The Truth Shall Make You Free." vs 31 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” 33 They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How can You say, ‘You will be made free’?”

However, Christ spoke of our spiritual liberty, not a physical liberty. The majority of people who quote this verse quote it wrong. They very often say, "You shall know the truth and the truth will SET you free." I always pictured in this case a bird being set free from a cage and then it became free. This is not the case because the verse says, "you shall know the truth, and the truth shall MAKE you free." Big difference because the first is an instantaneous action and the other is a long process requiring effort.

Knowing the truth is the first step. So, who is the truth? In John 14:6 (New King James Version) Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. How well do you know the truth? John 16:13 (New King James Version) 13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak;

How well do you know the truth? It says, and the truth shall MAKE you free... The Word of God is a person who will lead you and guide you into all truth.

Try it and you will See!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 8 - 32 καὶ γνώσεσθε τὴν ἀλήθειαν καὶ ἡ ἀλήθεια ἐλευθερώσει ὑμᾶς.


and knowing the truth, and the truth frees us

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lexilogio wrote:
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ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 8 - 32 καὶ γνώσεσθε τὴν ἀλήθειαν καὶ ἡ ἀλήθεια ἐλευθερώσει ὑμᾶς.


and knowing the truth, and the truth frees us

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Lexi, my computer doesnt pick up the Greek characters :( but knowing the truth does free us ...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now there's a surprise...


Greek is what the NT is all about and you cant't get it....
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lucifers Duck wrote:
Now there's a surprise ... Greek is what the NT is all about and you cant't get it....


I read and speak fluent Demotic and Koine Greek - your point is?

Indeed, I know that the New Testament scripture that is written in Greek and preceeds the English ... says completely different things to what the protestants interpret from their watered down versions ...

I feel sorry for people who dont know the Greek -- you can use a dictionary to translate but only the Greeks have the true understanding of the poetry and music of the language and its true essence and meaning ...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an early 2nd century epistle called the "Letter to Diognetus" that I read from another forum.

The writer of the letter gives a brief on Christianity on how Christians lived at the close of the Apostolic age. He explains how Christians were perceived at that time and how they believed themselves to be in a world that was not Christian but Anti-Christian. This letter is VERY relevant for today, for the more things change the more they stay the same. If we strive to live a life half as pious as described of these early Christians our hearts will be at peace.

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"Christians are indistinguishable from other men either by nationality, language or customs. They do not inhabit separate cities of their own, or speak a strange dialect, or follow some outlandish way of life. Their teaching is not based upon reveries inspired by the curiosity of men. Unlike some other people, they champion no purely human doctrine. With regard to dress, food and manner of life in general, they follow the customs of whatever city they happen to be living in, whether it is Greek or foreign.

And yet there is something extraordinary about their lives. They live in their own countries as though they were only passing through. They play their full role as citizens, but labor under all the disabilities of aliens. Any country can be their homeland, but for them their homeland, wherever it may be, is a foreign country. Like others, they marry and have children, but they do not expose them. They share their meals, but not their wives.

They live in the flesh, but they are not governed by the desires of the flesh. They pass their days upon earth, but they are citizens of heaven. Obedient to the laws, they yet live on a level that transcends the law. Christians love all men, but all men persecute them. Condemned because they are not understood, they are put to death, but raised to life again. They live in poverty, but enrich many; they are totally destitute, but possess an abundance of everything. They suffer dishonor, but that is their glory. They are defamed, but vindicated. A blessing is their answer to abuse, deference their response to insult. For the good they do they receive the punishment of malefactors, but even then they, rejoice, as though receiving the gift of life. They are attacked by the Jews as aliens, they are persecuted by the Greeks, yet no one can explain the reason for this hatred.

To speak in general terms, we may say that the Christian is to the world what the soul is to the body. As the soul is present in every part of the body, while remaining distinct from it, so Christians are found in all the cities of the world, but cannot be identified with the world. As the visible body contains the invisible soul, so Christians are seen living in the world, but their religious life remains unseen. The body hates the soul and wars against it, not because of any injury the soul has done it, but because of the restriction the soul places on its pleasures. Similarly, the world hates the Christians, not because they have done it any wrong, but because they are opposed to its enjoyments.

Christians love those who hate them just as the soul loves the body and all its members despite the body's hatred. It is by the soul, enclosed within the body, that the body is held together, and similarly, it is by the Christians, detained in the world as in a prison, that the world is held together. The soul, though immortal, has a mortal dwelling place; and Christians also live for a time amidst perishable things, while awaiting the freedom from change and decay that will be theirs in heaven. As the soul benefits from the deprivation of food and drink, so Christians flourish under persecution. Such is the Christian’s lofty and divinely appointed function, from which he is not permitted to excuse himself."


From a letter to Diognetus (Nn. 5-6; Funk, 397-401)

Source: http://www.vatican.va/spirit/docu.../spirit_20010522_diogneto_en.html
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/richardson/fathers.x.i.ii.html
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ceramic strong wrote:
Lucifers Duck wrote:
Now there's a surprise ... Greek is what the NT is all about and you cant't get it....


I read and speak fluent Demotic and Koine Greek - your point is?

Indeed, I know that the New Testament scripture that is written in Greek and preceeds the English ... says completely different things to what the protestants interpret from their watered down versions ...

I feel sorry for people who dont know the Greek -- you can use a dictionary to translate but only the Greeks have the true understanding of the poetry and music of the language and its true essence and meaning ...


Yay! Another Greek speaker! Although I'd say I wasn't entirely fluent - conversational, but not fluent.

If you have a windows PC you can enable Greek script by going through the settings - language route. It's similar on a Mac - and I've just discovered you can now enable Greek script on an Iphone.  Smilie_PDT

I find it makes things easier than trying to transliterate the alphabet - which I find very difficult to read.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Word of God is no longer in the letter but it is in the Spirit as Jeremiah 31:33-34 &
2 Corinthians 3:6 (King James Version)

6.Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.


followed by:-


1 John 2:27 (King James Version)

27.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


Shows- the new covenant was to be where God put his laws within a person. As all Holy Men spoke the teachings and words given them by the Holy Spirit, the true source of the truth of the bible is the Spirit.
The Spirit is a real person as Acts 8:29 shows.Acts 8:29 (King James Version)

29.Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.



The most truthful teaching that shows the Spirit does not require a believer to have knowledge of language to impart truth is Acts 2:4-13.
If we need to learn the greek language to know the truth of the bible then we are lacking the most essential truth that the Holy Spirit  is to  teach the truth.(John 16:13)
When God is teaching a person they understand the truth of the bible.
There is another truth that shows the belief of understanding greek means you will know the truth. The scholars who translated the KJV were all fluent speaking in Hebrew and Greek and every verse was checked 14 times to ensure the meaning did not change. But the only word that God promised would not change was the OT because he said he would keep them for every generation. But the truth of scripture has one teacher and one giver who imparts the truth. The Holy Spirit.

The Apostles and the Lord Jesus all understood that every person must have the Spirit teaching the person for themselves.
All believers receive their lamps lit the faith in Christ by the Holy Spirit.
But not everyone walks in the Spirit. So some are going to be disappointed. The Spirit would never teach men contrary to the teachings he has already given.



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was speaking about linguistics ... a translator can translate and correct a piece of work as much as they want ... it will never be the same as the original ... its like cordial ... adding water dilutes the sweetness.

Second, people who ARE Greek versus people who learn Greek ... dont share one thing ... inherant DNA ... the stuff that makes our language come alive ... the character behind the linguistics ... translations can never achieve that initial poetry that exists in the Greek language.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ceramic strong wrote:
I was speaking about linguistics ... a translator can translate and correct a piece of work as much as they want ... it will never be the same as the original ... its like cordial ... adding water dilutes the sweetness.

Second, people who ARE Greek versus people who learn Greek ... dont share one thing ... inherant DNA ... the stuff that makes our language come alive ... the character behind the linguistics ... translations can never achieve that initial poetry that exists in the Greek language.


True - language is about more than words - it's also about the cultural meaning behind those words.
Modern language teaching also looks at the culture behind the words - so people can learn that. It takes time, and without spending time living in the country, true fluency will never be achieved, but people can go so far along the way.


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