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Pukon_the_Treen
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:38 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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If they were mentally ill they would be in mental hospitals not prisons.


That may be one of the most stupid things you have ever written.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pukon_the_Treen wrote:
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If they were mentally ill they would be in mental hospitals not prisons.


That may be one of the most stupid things you have ever written.


9. Is paedophilia a mental illness?

No, paedophilia is not a mental illness, but it is regarded as a "disorder of sexual preference", to quote the World Health Organization's formulation.

10. Are paedophiles responsible in criminal law for the acts they commit when they abuse a child?

This is a key question, since individuals who were not responsible for their actions when the offence was committed cannot be convicted in a court of law. Expert psychiatric witnesses take the view that paedophiles who actively commit child abuse are, with a few rare exceptions, aware that their actions are immoral and against the law. They are not people who are mentally ill and who might consequently be held not to be responsible for their actions. And they are, in fact, held responsible in the courts for the offences they commit.


Seems NOT!  :roll:
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Seems NOT!


I think it is a mental illness, because deriving pleasure from other people's pain and fear is clearly not a sign of a normal healthy mind.  As with everything I post, this should be read as my personal opinion, so I don't really care what the World Health Organization's formulation says.  I do have my own opinions, and sometimes they are at odds with those of our various governing bodies, elected officials and even professional experts, especially in a field as subjective as morality.

I take it you are happy with the judgement of the World Health Organisation in all things?

Your statement “If they were mentally ill they would be in mental hospitals not prisons.” (compete with a 'roll-eye' smiley to suggest that it is an absurd question) seemed to me to be naïve because you apparently place total trust in the decisions of the powers that be.

It's like writing “if they were responsible citizens then women would be allowed to vote” or “if mixed race children were acceptable then blacks would be able to marry whites” or “if homosexuality were normal then gays would be allowed to get married”.

You are just switching off your capacity for reason and deferring to another authority.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pukon_the_Treen wrote:
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Seems NOT!


I think it is a mental illness, because deriving pleasure from other people's pain and fear is clearly not a sign of a normal healthy mind.  As with everything I post, this should be read as my personal opinion, so I don't really care what the World Health Organization's formulation says.  I do have my own opinions, and sometimes they are at odds with those of our various governing bodies, elected officials and even professional experts, especially in a field as subjective as morality.

I take it you are happy with the judgement of the World Health Organisation in all things?

Your statement “If they were mentally ill they would be in mental hospitals not prisons.” (compete with a 'roll-eye' smiley to suggest that it is an absurd question) seemed to me to be naïve because you apparently place total trust in the decisions of the powers that be.

It's like writing “if they were responsible citizens then women would be allowed to vote” or “if mixed race children were acceptable then blacks would be able to marry whites” or “if homosexuality were normal then gays would be allowed to get married”.

You are just switching off your capacity for reason and deferring to another authority.




Thank God I don't have your reasoning.
The prisons would be emptied of all sex offenders and all mentally ill people would be classed as sex offenders.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The prisons would be emptied of all sex offenders and all mentally ill people would be classed as sex offenders.


Do you not see that as somewhat disingenuous, or are to too soaked in your own bullshit to have a problem here?

Deriving pleasure from the pain and suffering of others does not just make you a criminal; moreover you are mentally ill, so an ordinary spell in the clink is not going to be any kind of solution to the problem.  Is that such a bizarre notion?

As I have asked you elsewhere, do you honesty think that people who derive pleasure from the pain and suffering of others are mentally healthy and normal?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And hang on a second; wasn't it you who were accusing me of being the kind of person who would “glad string a paedophile up and not feel guilt or remorse at doing so”.  Are you going to take that back or just secrete some more effluent all over everything?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leonard James wrote:
Calling people who don't agree with you fools is a ploy that takes in only the foolish.  Smilie_PDT


If it were that you merely didnt agree with ME then possibly I would be foolish for responding ... but this is not personal.

Of all those who have a sense of the presence of God, the atheist's must be best, always knowing the direction to keep his back turned.

The person who has his back turned from the face of God IS foolish; not my own opinion but based on Scripture.

You would not hesitate and, indeed, you have not hesitated in calling any Christian "foolish" and, I would add, are guilty of much worse "name calling" than "foolish" ...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ceramic wrote:
Leonard James wrote:
Calling people who don't agree with you fools is a ploy that takes in only the foolish.  Smilie_PDT


If it were that you merely didnt agree with ME then possibly I would be foolish for responding ... but this is not personal.

My disagreement is with anyone who resorts to the childish ploy of calling people who don't agree with them foolish. And that includes anybody who says so, regardless of whether they are scripture writers or not.
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Of all those who have a sense of the presence of God, the atheist's must be best, always knowing the direction to keep his back turned.

God doesn't exist.

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The person who has his back turned from the face of God IS foolish; not my own opinion but based on Scripture.

The scripture writers of any religion are just men who believe different things.
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You would not hesitate and, indeed, you have not hesitated in calling any Christian "foolish" and, I would add, are guilty of much worse "name calling" than "foolish" ...

I don't think I have ever called anybody a fool for their beliefs, but if you can quote me as doing so I will gladly apologise. People who believe in supernatural gods are not fools, indeed many of them are highly intelligent. They are just gullible people who have been misled.

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