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Oak King (rtd)
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:06 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Right, that's that over although the feasting and the frolics continue. Next Biggy is Beltane and the coming of the Stag Lord........I DO enjoy that one  
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oak King (rtd) wrote:
<<Can I ask you, Oak King... >>

of course you may.......

<<Why not just wish everyone a Merry Christmas?>>

Because as this is the 'Other religions' Board it was appropriate to post a Yule greeting, besides it's not Christmas yet.

<<Considering people celebrate it sincerely, why would you not respect their celebration by wishing them a Merry Christmas or at least seasonal greetings?>>

I shall wish hem exactly that when the time is appropriate.

<<I think Yule which is the solstice is not a reason to celebrate.
So why Yule?>>

Frankly I dont give a fiddlers F*** for what you think

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But Yule in the dictionary the English dictionary is shown to mean Christmas. So you are wishing everyone a Merry Christmas, really.

What a lot of fuss about a simple post...

I see no reason for your last remark, (other than you by placing your post in other religions), did not realise that the dictionary definition gives Christmas as being the festival of Christs nativity 25th December...

So really Oak King, according to the dictionary you are to all intents and purposes when celebrating 'Yule' celebrating Christmas which is also the celebration of Jesus Christ.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But Yule in the dictionary the English dictionary is shown to mean Christmas. So you are wishing everyone a Merry Christmas, really.

No. Yule has become known as a synonym for Christmas over the years, but only one way: some sort of midwinter festivity came first, Christmas came after. So Christmas is very much the Johnny-come-lately on the scene here.

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I see no reason for your last remark, (other than you by placing your post in other religions), did not realise that the dictionary definition gives Christmas as being the festival of Christs nativity 25th December...

(a) That's not how the vast majority celebrate it;
(b) Even assuming that there was a historical Jesus, December 25th wasn't the date of his birth according to nearly every scholar in the relevant field. That's a purely political choice for reasons of convenience, like the Queen's official birthday.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

<<But Yule in the dictionary the English dictionary is shown to mean Christmas. So you are wishing everyone a Merry Christmas, really.  

What a lot of fuss about a simple post...>>

Have you forgotten that it was you who started 'the fuss'? Such a short memory. I think you might find that your dictionary definition of Yule is but one of many.

<<I see no reason for your last remark, (other than you by placing your post in other religions), did not realise that the dictionary definition gives Christmas as being the festival of Christs nativity 25th December...>>

Which is yet to come, Yule commenced on the 21st

<<So really Oak King, according to the dictionary you are to all intents and purposes when celebrating 'Yule' celebrating Christmas which is also the celebration of Jesus Christ.>>

If it amuses you to think that, then I haveno problem with it. Easily amused aren't you.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Judders Lady... wrote:

But Yule in the dictionary the English dictionary is shown to mean Christmas. So you are wishing everyone a Merry Christmas, really.

It may depend on which dictionary you consult - they do not all say the same thing!

I always go by an Oxford jobby, the Oxford English Dictionary to be precise.

That does say that it means "Christmas Day" but qualifies it:

"Old English geoll(a) 'Christmas Day; compare with Old Norse jol, originally applied to a heathen festival lasting twelve days, later to Christmas."

So that's where the "Twelve Days of Christamas" come from as well.

Accept it, Lynne, that the Christians stole this season's festivities from the heathens, just as they stole Easter (from the goddess of fertility, Eostre). Pandering to the peasants to slide their foreign religion in under the door!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oak:In Wiccan circles are there any specific traditions associated with Yule - the sorts of things which are 'always done' (so to speak)?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oak:In Wiccan circles are there any specific traditions associated with Yule - the sorts of things which are 'always done' (so to speak)?


Wiccans tend to vary widely in their practice, I would say that the only constant is the celebration of the winter solstice, exactly how that is celebrated tends to vary depending on the coven or individual involved. We have developed a tradition of enacting the battle between the Oak and Holly kings for the ruleof the land.......usually with plenty of slapstick comedy.


The mid winter feast tends to be fairly popular, though that can be anything from everyone going to a restaurant for a meal down to meeting up in someones home and bringing food and drink to share.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope you enjoyed the solstice, Oak King,

and a Happy Yule  
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Oak.

Apologies for any (entirely unintentional) howlers: I've read around paganism generally and Wicca a little so I'm dredging this up from the dusty corners of what passes for my brain, but am I right in thinking that as well as the Wheel of the Year, Wicca divides the year into two basic seasons, Summer (that corresponds to the usual spring and summer) and Winter (autumn and winter) and that the Oak King rules the former and the Holly King the latter? Though this may be Asatru/heathenry - it's been a while since I read up on this. I've read several books on Wicca and general paganism - Scott Cunningham and Vivianne Crowley spring to mind, though I don't know if they're considered reliable amongst real Wiccans. Ronald Huttons's Triumph of the Moon was a scholarly and rather dense read but enjoyable, as I recall: Stations of the Sun was even better.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps I should admit now that my knowledge of Paganism is limited in the extreme.

So if I make any howlers - apologies in advance, and please just point the error out!


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