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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:25 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Hi Lexi,
Lexilogio wrote:

One of the things Jesus taught, was that what is in our hearts and minds is as important as what we actually do.

So for a married person - looking at another with desire, is the same as committing adultery, because they are doing it with their heart.

I'm afraid I find that absolute nonsense! What your heart feels has nothing to do with finding someone sexually attractive, which is usually just a physical reaction ... no deeper sentiments are involved.
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The important lesson for Christians, behind this, is that when you spend time thinking and desiring something, you are beginning to work towards it, and away from what you should be paying attention to.

Spending time thinking about them is a lot different from simply being attracted physically when you see them, and for that reason is more worrying. However, to compare it with actually being unfaithful is quite silly, imo.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lexilogio wrote:
I think this is what Lynne was referring to here.


No Lexi, Lynne set herself up as judge and jury and was accusing and finding me guilty of committing the sin of adultery.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ketty wrote:
Lexilogio wrote:
I think this is what Lynne was referring to here.


No Lexi, Lynne set herself up as judge and jury and was accusing and finding me guilty of committing the sin of adultery.


Ah....

I should have read back a bit.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leonard James wrote:
Hi Lexi,
Lexilogio wrote:

One of the things Jesus taught, was that what is in our hearts and minds is as important as what we actually do.

So for a married person - looking at another with desire, is the same as committing adultery, because they are doing it with their heart.

I'm afraid I find that absolute nonsense! What your heart feels has nothing to do with finding someone sexually attractive, which is usually just a physical reaction ... no deeper sentiments are involved.
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The important lesson for Christians, behind this, is that when you spend time thinking and desiring something, you are beginning to work towards it, and away from what you should be paying attention to.

Spending time thinking about them is a lot different from simply being attracted physically when you see them, and for that reason is more worrying. However, to compare it with actually being unfaithful is quite silly, imo.


Hi Len

I didn't reply straight away - because I wanted to think a bit about this.

I think there are possibly three types of "attraction".
There is a simple physical observation eg. I can see he is attractive (but without any physical reaction in oneself).
There is physically attraction - often with pheremone reaction
Then there is the obsessing, thinking about type.

There is nothing wrong with a simple observation. And I don't think any of us can control the physical reaction. Sometimes we are just faced with people who our bodies seemed programmed to find attractive.

But we can do something about the obsessing / thinking about. I suspect it's a sin that the vast majority of people are guilty of from time to time. The key is to be aware of the dangers inherent in the behaviour, and draw it to a close.

But there is a vast difference between observation, physical attraction, and different levels of thinking about ...going into obsession.  For example - I can look at the photo of John Barrowman, and acknowledge that he does appear to be symetrically attractive.
He doesn't do anything for me though. I think I'm programmed not to physically respond to gay men...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But there is a vast difference between observation, physical attraction, and different levels of thinking about ...going into obsession.  For example - I can look at the photo of John Barrowman, and acknowledge that he does appear to be symetrically attractive.
He doesn't do anything for me though. I think I'm programmed not to physically respond to gay men...


I find his coat physically attractive. Wish I could find an authentic grey wool RAF greatcoat.

What's lust then; the obsession or the physical attraction?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Lexi,
Lexilogio wrote:
 For example - I can look at the photo of John Barrowman, and acknowledge that he does appear to be symetrically attractive.
He doesn't do anything for me though. I think I'm programmed not to physically respond to gay men...

Unless you have previous knowledge that a guy is gay, I don't see how you can know that! Certain types attract me irrespective of whether they are gay or not.

I shall stop now or my BP will get out of hand.  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leonard James wrote:
Hi Lexi,
Lexilogio wrote:
 For example - I can look at the photo of John Barrowman, and acknowledge that he does appear to be symetrically attractive.
He doesn't do anything for me though. I think I'm programmed not to physically respond to gay men...

Unless you have previous knowledge that a guy is gay, I don't see how you can know that! Certain types attract me irrespective of whether they are gay or not.

I shall stop now or my BP will get out of hand.  


Neither do I. But I've never felt attracted to a gay man. Or...woman for that matter. Although I couldn't say if some of the "apparently straight" ones swing both ways.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pukon_the_Treen wrote:
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But there is a vast difference between observation, physical attraction, and different levels of thinking about ...going into obsession.  For example - I can look at the photo of John Barrowman, and acknowledge that he does appear to be symetrically attractive.
He doesn't do anything for me though. I think I'm programmed not to physically respond to gay men...


I find his coat physically attractive. Wish I could find an authentic grey wool RAF greatcoat.

What's lust then; the obsession or the physical attraction?


It depends whether you spend your time dreaming about it or not.....
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lexilogio wrote:
 Although I couldn't say if some of the "apparently straight" ones swing both ways.

Nor can anybody else, given the right circumstances ... not even the guy himself! I had quite a few surprises when I was young and attractive!

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