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Why Do People Laugh At Creationists
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Leonard James
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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 2:26 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Dave B wrote:
Some scientists aren't, despite the letters they have after their name.

In an interview with New Scientist the YEC geophysicist John Blaumgardner, when asked about radiometric dating of rocks, said that God must have adjusted time at various points in the Earth's history to account for this. He simply could not accept the evidence that countered his beliefs despite everything he had learned and discovered that confirmed the theory. But it made him the darling of the ID and Creationalist camps of course.

They probably paid him to say it!  
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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a quote from an interview with John Baumgardner:
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It was only in the Christian world that science developed


http://www.rae.org/believe.html

OK, that does depend on how you define science, the currently methodology did originate in the Christian world, though one could claim that Christianity as a religion did a lot to suppress science where it went against dogma.

But mathematics and other "sciences" were well established before Christianity ever got started if my memory serves me right. The Greeks and Indians had a bit of a hand in it as well.

Religious doctrine has probably been one of the biggest barriers to science going. When I mentioned some Arabic scientific discoveries to a Sunni Arab he said that they were worthless. because the discoverers had been Shi'ite.

The Christians were not much better in history, it is only lately that the more sensible ones have had to accept that science is usually right. But there seem to be a great number of less sensible Christians still living in the Middle Ages.
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave B wrote:
Here is a quote from an interview with John Baumgardner:
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It was only in the Christian world that science developed


http://www.rae.org/believe.html

OK, that does depend on how you define science, the currently methodology did originate in the Christian world, though one could claim that Christianity as a religion did a lot to suppress science where it went against dogma.

But mathematics and other "sciences" were well established before Christianity ever got started if my memory serves me right. The Greeks and Indians had a bit of a hand in it as well.

Religious doctrine has probably been one of the biggest barriers to science going. When I mentioned some Arabic scientific discoveries to a Sunni Arab he said that they were worthless. because the discoverers had been Shi'ite.

The Christians were not much better in history, it is only lately that the more sensible ones have had to accept that science is usually right. But there seem to be a great number of less sensible Christians still living in the Middle Ages.


Dave,

The actual historical evidence shows absolutely that Christianity in Europe prevented medical and scientific research and education for 800 years. We actually went backwards.
All the advances made by Roman and Greek civilisations were declared heretical.
Millions of books and documents were destroyed, and only bible based teaching was allowed (in monasteries).

We see the history of those dark ages littered with enlightened 'clergymen', but if you look closer, those 'clergymen' are that in name only. Only the clergy received an education (unless you were very wealthy of course).

Similar in many ways to those parents who claim a faith simply to get their kids into a particular school - so it's nothing new.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm trying to understand why anyone tries to have a comverstion with Lynne. She's completely incoherent, and she has goalposts, not just that are moved, but which are virtual, - popping in and out of existence every few nano seconds!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I blame Lexi.. If Lexi hadn't have had a head-fit at the beginning of the year, then all the proof that Lynne is a loon wouldn't have miraculously disappeared!!

In fact - I'm starting to suspect that Lexi is in fact = Lynne???


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Mathematics did start in India.
Maths really flourished with the Islamic culture too.

I think it would be fair to say that Christianity has had a love / hate relationship with Science. There were monks who were scientists - such as Gregor Mendel.

But equally, there is the persecution of those like Gallileo.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, when Lynne said

"Water on mars or anywhere else has nothing to do with if God exists."

she was absolutely correct.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SceptiKarl wrote:
I'm trying to understand why anyone tries to have a comverstion with Lynne. She's completely incoherent, and she has goalposts, not just that are moved, but which are virtual, - popping in and out of existence every few nano seconds!


That's a good description of a post from Lynne. I used to try to unravel them but never suceeded.

Lexi leant over backwards to be fair to her (in fact even showing some favourtism ..... well she deleted one of my posts in response to her which I considered mild to what she had posted to me!). If Sassy hadn't overstepped a mark she'd still be here.

I suspect that in real life she's kind hearted and caring but probably just as verbose.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SceptiKarl wrote:
I'm trying to understand why anyone tries to have a comverstion with Lynne. She's completely incoherent, and she has goalposts, not just that are moved, but which are virtual, - popping in and out of existence every few nano seconds!


Considering your frantic dodging and diving to avoid a question on another thread, I am open-mouthed at your double standards, Karl. Incredible.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberman:

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Considering your frantic dodging and diving to avoid a question on another thread, I am open-mouthed at your double standards, Karl. Incredible.


If you are referring to the question about taxation, and Jesus' attitude, you will find that I have answered your question. The fact that you don't like my answer is your problem. (Pope Infallible thread on Christian Chat, for those who don't know). Typical that cyberman picks a thread on another topic and leaves a slur about me there!

As for "dodging and diving", well that's just not true. Now what was that Commandment...?

If I don't respond to cyberman's posts immediately, he thinks I'm dodging him. However as I visit this site about 2- 3 times week, I do my best to keep up with the responses. Some of us have better things to do than find fault with other posters. Their ideas are fair game however! I believe cyberman's defence of his belief in the supernatural, consists of attacking the personalities of those that don't agree with him.

As for the evidence of the existence of the Almighty Jesus, well now that's something else entirely! Far better to attack SceptiKarl, or Dawkins or Hitchens or anyone else who has a bad word to say about the darling mother church, the RCC!

I think "sniping" is the tactic of choice for Samuel Vimes and cyberman. They both know that the threat of hell means nothing to people like me.

As for "double standards", perhaps cyberman can advise me whether "an eye for an eye" is  better or worse than turning "the other cheek"?



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