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Judders Lady...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:19 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Hi Heretic,

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I believe it is because people do not know him or what he has taught that they went to search for him by going to isolated places.
Hi Lynne,

you condemn an awful lot of religious folk throughout the ages.


Not really! There own dishonesty condemns them, really.
I really do not condemn anyone with faith of any kind. At least they show a spiritual side to their nature. Something they want to be sincere about even if they are not sure why they believe.

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Personally I think there is something special in the atmosphere of certain places, places where we can find beauty and tranquillity. I love the big Gothic churches of Spain, yes, even with their statues of saints.


Me too. Love them to bit's but I also dislike the cold false reality that people hold on to. I prefer the warmth of what is real and can be shared.
The Lord God, is more of a reality in the things that are good for people.
But the saints, are not idol or icons. But for me the truth that they existed and did what they did is really fascinating for me.
I love people.

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In some areas they favour a depiction of Santa Maria (Mary) as Nuestra Seņora de los Dolores (Our Lady of sorrows). That is representing the suffering of the bereaved mother of Jesus and is clearly used as a focus of grief for all those suffering the pain of bereavement.


I love Mijas the place and the churches there.
Take a look and the wonderful view around the Church.
It is like a shrine inside to Mary. Worth a visit and the food is excellent in the restaurants. You can even take a carriage ride.

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But there is no magic, no 'idolatry' - these things are just tools we can use to help us on our way - and one day who knows, we might all raise to your level of spirituality and not need such aids.  


Each to our own Heretic, I prefer the reality of God as a person and the truth that we can know God in a personal relationship rather than relying on feelings or creating an ambiance. It is better to feel real feelings that make something up to suit moods. Not saying that you do, but feel much false attitudes born from feeling rather than truth.
But if you get to see Mijas you will know how beautiful it is...

Love xx
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Leonard James
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Judders Lady... wrote:
 Hi Heretic,

The Heretic wrote:
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I believe it is because people do not know him or what he has taught that they went to search for him by going to isolated places.
Hi Lynne,

you condemn an awful lot of religious folk throughout the ages.


Not really! There own dishonesty condemns them, really.

You really are the limit, Lynne, with your sweeping condemnations!

Nobody who believes in a god is dishonest, any more than you are. You are all simply deluded, which is quite different from dishonesty.
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Judders Lady...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leonard James wrote:
Judders Lady... wrote:
 Hi Heretic,

The Heretic wrote:
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I believe it is because people do not know him or what he has taught that they went to search for him by going to isolated places.
Hi Lynne,

you condemn an awful lot of religious folk throughout the ages.


Not really! There own dishonesty condemns them, really.

You really are the limit, Lynne, with your sweeping condemnations!

Nobody who believes in a god is dishonest, any more than you are. You are all simply deluded, which is quite different from dishonesty.


Nothing sweeping and nothing condemning...
If a person is in the Spirit and so therefore in touch with God, what possibly can looking at such items bring the person?
Now I am many things but I am not ignorant in my beliefs.
We only look at photos of our loved ones in theIR absence.
When my sister died, I use to cry when I found things of hers.
An old school book and even a hair bobble would have me in floods of tears even as I write my eye fill with the memory it sets off.

But when she was there, the books and things that belonged to her did not mean the same. When she was there I did not need a book to remind me of her for she wasn't absent.

People don't get reminded by articles or objects to think about people unless they are absent. Maybe your faith was just that. Built on an absent God.

But refrain from judging what I say as being about people rather than the truth that needing icons to make you think about God, shows him to be absent to them.
I am on about personal honesty to oneself by not realising they would not require objects if they were really in experience of the truth.
My words are to make people think not condemn them.
Whereas you believe that having changed your belief. Where you once said you experienced God to now saying he does not exist, actually gives you a better understanding. When in all truth, you say they honestly believe they experience Gods presence. Well if they do experience his presence why do they need objects to remind them or give them presence of mind about him?
If anyone is less than honest, it would be you?
Can you not see how contradictory of you, this post?

You say you believe we are being honest in that we experience Gods presence. Yet do not see it as being dishonest to say we require objects to keep our mind focused on him?

Who is really being judgemental and making sweeping statements?
Who is really saying one thing and then saying another.
Should we be surprised when you did the same thing with God?
Yes he exists. No he doesn't exist. If you want to jump into the fire fine.
But in future you are going to get burnt.
I am not bothered about being falsely accused but at least show some honesty when making false statements by disproving what you had previously said you believed about believers.

Lynne.xx

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Awaits clanging gongs......

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK Lynne, you continue to live in your dream world, and I will continue in the real one!

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