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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:31 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Grim. As addictions go, alcoholism is one of the most common and the most harmful.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of our neighbours in his 60s is an alcoholic, he seems to go on more frequent benders these days and can be quite aggressive when drunk. I informed the police when I saw him getting into his car, clearly the worse for drink. Fortunately that time the starter motor had been removed by another neighbour at the request of his elderly father. However, a few months later he smashed up his car when under the influence, fortunately no one was hurt, but he is off the road for a good long time as this is his second drunk driving offence.

In my opinion alcoholics should have their licence suspended until such time as they have their condition under control.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pukon_the_Treen wrote:
As addictions go, alcoholism is one of the most common and the most harmful.


I agree and it's also one of the 'easiest' of the harmful addictions in a way because in our society to drink is, almost, socially more acceptable than being teetotal.  I'm not saying that it must be one way or the other, but when there is so much 'pressure' (in a way) to imbibe, it makes things more difficult for those susceptible.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought this graph was interesting:



The psychedelic drugs and marijuana are all less addictive and less harmful than tobacco and alcohol.

This of course is one of the reasons why making drugs illegal is so nonsensical. Think of all the money that could be saved and put into help, treatment and education of those who abuse these substances and become addicted, rather than just criminalising them.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cannabis can screw up the brain cells big time and is not harmless!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cannabis can screw up the brain cells big time and is not harmless!

Do you actually have any working knowledge of cannabis? No one said it was harmless, it's just not as harmful as tobacco or alcohol.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pukon_the_Treen wrote:
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Cannabis can screw up the brain cells big time and is not harmless!

Do you actually have any working knowledge of cannabis? No one said it was harmless, it's just not as harmful as tobacco or alcohol.


Not strictly true.

Some research has indicated a strong link between cannabis use and throat cancer.
I say some research - because this question is still being researched - not all findings point this way. There is research that suggests cannabis can also be used to fight cancer, and doesn't increase the risk of throat cancer in MS patients.
But equally, there has been strong research which clearly shows a link between long term (not 6 months, or a couple of drags) use of cannabis does vastly increase the risk of throat cancer.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not saying it's harmless, only that it doens't seem to be as harmful as tobacco (particularly if you use a vaporiser rather than inhaling the smoke).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pukon_the_Treen wrote:
I'm not saying it's harmless, only that it doens't seem to be as harmful as tobacco (particularly if you use a vaporiser rather than inhaling the smoke).


In the one study I looked at in depth, several years ago, the suggestion was that inhaled cannabis was more harmful than tobacco. However - the study did not look at the use of vapourisers, and acknowledged that more work needed to be done to ascertain if the 40 fold increase in cancer rates were attributable to the use of unfiltered tobacco with the cannabis.

I do think more needs to be done about the tobacco industry. It continues to anger me that there are so many unnecessary carcinogens left in cigarettes, for example. This isn't just about trying to persuade people not to smoke, but there should be an effort to ensure people can have access to nicotine in a less harmful way.

And yes, alcohol is an issue, particularly with this move away from pubs.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lexilogio wrote:


I do think more needs to be done about the tobacco industry. It continues to anger me that there are so many unnecessary carcinogens left in cigarettes,


I agree.  

I wonder if they eradicate the carcinogens, would it eradicate the addictive properties too?  No addicts, no market, so it's not something that's within the industry's will?


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