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bnabernard
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:27 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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Yer but not realy, chance has always existed, chance has everything at hand, surely?

bernard


Yes, of course you're absolutely correct, we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for chance.


Yes ,God, chance, shares Himself with everybody and everything and gives everybody a chance.  

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can see why Leonard finds the idea of people spending money on enjoyment so abhorrent;

Hello BC,

I have no idea where you get that idea from ... certainly not from me.

I think life would be nothing but penury without periods of enjoyment, whether we pay for them or not.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think you are assuming too much of a thought process with Skeptikarl. It's strictly knee-jerk with him.


Personal insult noted! I'm glad my views upset you so much, that you have to result to that!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Should we about now be starting to disregard Shakespeare's insights? Or Marx's?


Well, old boy, it depends what they said doesn't it? Old rubbish is just as bad as new rubbish IMO. Good stuff lasts. Yes even some of the Bible has good stuff in it.

I'm kind of fond of Bach's religious music too, especially the B Minor Mass. Heck it's over 200 years old! Should I worry about my taste?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yer but not realy, chance has always existed, chance has everything at hand, surely?

bernard


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Yes, of course you're absolutely correct, we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for chance.



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Yes ,God, chance, shares Himself with everybody and everything and gives everybody a chance.  

bernard


I'm confused. Does this mean that God & chance are the same thing?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yer but not realy, chance has always existed, chance has everything at hand, surely?

bernard


genghiscant wrote:


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Yes, of course you're absolutely correct, we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for chance.



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Yes ,God, chance, shares Himself with everybody and everything and gives everybody a chance.  

bernard


I'm confused. Does this mean that God & chance are the same thing?


 Well if life is by chance, or chance creates life, chances are Gods name is chance. There is the alternative that there is life after death because life came from dead stuff  

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For something to be dead it must first have had life. This isn't what we believe at all. Primordial earth had minerals, chemicals, gasses, water, heat, electricity, bombardment from comets, asteroids & most importantly billions of years to produce life. We don't say that this is exactly what happened because don't know. What we say is that on the balance of probabilities life from non-life makes a lot more sense than your magic man in the sky.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is the alternative that there is life after death because life came from dead stuff


For something to be dead it must first have had life. This isn't what we believe at all. Primordial earth had minerals, chemicals, gasses, water, heat, electricity, bombardment from comets, asteroids & most importantly billions of years to produce life. We don't say that this is exactly what happened because don't know. What we say is that on the balance of probabilities life from non-life makes a lot more sense than your magic man in the sky.


   It isn't dead its has no life  maddddd.gif

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is the alternative that there is life after death because life came from dead stuff


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For something to be dead it must first have had life. This isn't what we believe at all. Primordial earth had minerals, chemicals, gasses, water, heat, electricity, bombardment from comets, asteroids & most importantly billions of years to produce life. We don't say that this is exactly what happened because don't know. What we say is that on the balance of probabilities life from non-life makes a lot more sense than your magic man in the sky.



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Is a piece of steel dead? How about these things,  
minerals, chemicals, gasses, water, heat, electricity, bombardment from comets, asteroids, are these dead also? Of course they're not. To describe them as dead would be absurd.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not disagreeing with that, in fact I'm heading to promote it on another thread.
However where did this kaliedrescope of life come from?

Presently they are delving into 'nothing' because thats where it all springs from and returns to, in fact nothing is everywhere.
Is nothing something that is dead, at the end of the day life comes from life and in science or religion the life that suports life cannot be explained, what they do recognise is that law exist's relating to the life that springs from nothiong.

However if nothing is without life, dead, .............

bernard  

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