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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:23 pm    Post subject: Satan  Reply with quote

Does Satan - or a version - appear in other religions?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, as I've said on the other thread, the Abrahamic faiths have similar but subtly different ideas of Satan. Islam took the Jinn from folklore and made him one of them.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pukon_the_Treen wrote:
Well, as I've said on the other thread, the Abrahamic faiths have similar but subtly different ideas of Satan. Islam took the Jinn from folklore and made him one of them.


I suspect it was more taking the existing Monotheistic view of Satan from Judaism and mixing with the Jinn myth....

But is there a Satan in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism etc....?

Is it just part of Monotheism?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satan in Islam is referred to as Shaitan, IIRC.

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But is there a Satan in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism etc....?


No, no and no. Buddhism and Jainism specifically are non-theistic, so there's no oppositional figure, no God for there to be an opposite number against. In the scriptures of Tibetan Buddhism there are certainly devils and demons and hellish realms but that's because Tibetan Buddhism specifically has always been a mixture of Buddhism (which started life as a northern Indian religion) and the indigenous Bön folk religion - the demons and hell realms come from Bön, not Buddhism.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Similarly, Hinduism has many demons, but they don't have much truck with an ultimate  personification of evil. They are refreshingly aware that humans do evil on their own for their own reasons, without the need for a tempter or adversary to take the blame.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it was Schopenhauer who pointed out that there's simply no need to posit the existence of devils and demons and hells and whatnot: human beings alone are more than capable of perpetrating every kind of hideous unspeakable evil without any supernatural assistance.

A statement of the bleeding obvious, perhaps.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think it was Schopenhauer who pointed out that there's simply no need to posit the existence of devils and demons and hells and whatnot: human beings alone are more than capable of perpetrating every kind of hideous unspeakable evil without any supernatural assistance.

A statement of the bleeding obvious, perhaps.

Just as obvious as the fact that people are capable of unbelievable acts of love and altruism without any supernatural help.

The problem arises in trying to convince people that since neither gods nor devils are necessary for either activity, such entities are superfluous.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I guess Ahriman (aka Angra Manyu the twin brother of Ahura Mazda) could be seen as the first incarnation of the "Diaboloc".. [the mistranslation of the Hebrew 'ha-Satan' (meaning opposer or adversary) into the Greek when they were compiling the Septuagint].



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leonard James wrote:
admin. wrote:
I think it was Schopenhauer who pointed out that there's simply no need to posit the existence of devils and demons and hells and whatnot: human beings alone are more than capable of perpetrating every kind of hideous unspeakable evil without any supernatural assistance.

A statement of the bleeding obvious, perhaps.

Just as obvious as the fact that people are capable of unbelievable acts of love and altruism without any supernatural help.

The problem arises in trying to convince people that since neither gods nor devils are necessary for either activity, such entities are superfluous.


Only superfluous if one has a theology where the primary purpose of God is to make humans behave well towards each other.

Do you know of any religions like that Len?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samuel Vimes wrote:
Leonard James wrote:
admin. wrote:
I think it was Schopenhauer who pointed out that there's simply no need to posit the existence of devils and demons and hells and whatnot: human beings alone are more than capable of perpetrating every kind of hideous unspeakable evil without any supernatural assistance.

A statement of the bleeding obvious, perhaps.

Just as obvious as the fact that people are capable of unbelievable acts of love and altruism without any supernatural help.

The problem arises in trying to convince people that since neither gods nor devils are necessary for either activity, such entities are superfluous.


Only superfluous if one has a theology where the primary purpose of God is to make humans behave well towards each other.

Do you know of any religions like that Len?

No, I just know that as far as I am concerned gods are as superfluous as the religions which peddle them.

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