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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:18 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Wow..  

OK - thanks Cyber..  looking forward to your review on how reading the NT in chronological order makes a difference on how you understand the NT, or whether or not you stick with dogma and tradition..
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes, Marcus Borg, a dead heretic. A lefty, liberal member of the Jesus Seminar. Well, he awaits his judgement for his war against the Word.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't alter the fact that the majority of new testament scholars all agree that the 7 genuine letters of Paul kicked off an interest in the Christ and the stories about the man named as this christ were later additions..
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Farmer Geddon wrote:
Doesn't alter the fact that the majority of new testament scholars all agree that the 7 genuine letters of Paul kicked off an interest in the Christ and the stories about the man named as this christ were later additions..


Surely there was an interest in Christ before the letters were written..? (Otherwise, who was he wrriting to?)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luci,
Most new testament scholars agree? Evidence please. And let's remember these are letters to believing congregations, not to non believers. Paul stood in front of the temples and in the market places to preach salvation to those pagans.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I don't disagree with you on that point Cybers.. of course there must have been someone who inspired the philosophy Paul taught.

However, it has to be noted that the 7 undisputed epistles are heavy on the spirituality of the Christ, but lacking on information on the guy he believes was this Christ.

Which after his execution would mean that if Gentiles started to question who this christ was, there would be a flurry of writings created to show what the man, Jesus, taught and why he was divine..

Paul has always been an enigma to me.. he was obviously a Torah observant Jew, like Jesus himself, who was attempting to bring his interpretation of Jesus' teaching to the Gentiles in order to save them from the impending apocalypse he was convinced was about to occur...

but that is for another thread!!    


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Farmer Geddon wrote:

Paul has always been an enigma to me.. he was obviously a Torah observant Jew, like Jesus himself, who was attempting to bring his interpretation of Jesus' teaching to the Gentiles in order to save them from the impending apocalypse he was convinced was about to occur...


I think that's true - but unfortunately the stories of which he was aware and on which he based his ideas about what Jesus was all about are lost to us. His letters weren't seeking to tell the story of Jesus and so we cant be surprised that they don't. He was, exactly as you say, giving his interpretation to people who had already heard those stories.

We live in a very book-centred culture now - you couldn't have decades of people being interested in stories about The Rolling Stones or Ronnie Barker without there being umpteen books about them. But it wasn't the same then, as you know; the stories were spread by word of mouth. It was decades before people thought they needed to pin it down and get some uniformity to prevent the action of chinese whispers and factions corrupting the message (as they saw it).

There is a theory (I can't remember where I read it) that Mark (being short enough to read in one go) was written to be used liturgically, perhaps at Easter time.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly... What Paul was basing his teachings on are now lost to us, unless of course the guys who wrote "Mark" and "Mathew" kinda gathered together the oral tradition of this Christ they were following thanks to Pauls teachings, then after Pauls execution tried to give clarity to what/who they were preaching about to give Pauls' Christ a human exterior, with what we would now call a back story because Paul was more concerned with to trying to save humanity from the scourge he was convinced was imminent.


From what we can gather from the books that became canonical - Jesus was trying to save his fellow Jews from the impending apocalypse that he was sure was about to happen.

Paul took up the mantle from the Jesus movement based in Jerusalem to spread the idea that there was a cataclysmic event about to happen and that there was only ONE God, instead of multiple gods, and that this ONE God was about to purge the planet once again, but to survive this purge you had to accept the Christ was the only way you were going to survive it..


TBC..
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Chinese whispers? seems that we are refering to a God with no control?

bernard (hug)

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