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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:12 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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I found some of his later books don't have good ending.  'It' is actually my favourite book but the ending could have been slightly better though.  Only just starting on the Dark Tower series.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to read nonfiction more.  Right now, two: Heraclitus Seminar -- Martin Heidegger and Eugen Fink; and The Art and Thought of Heraclitus -- Charles H. Kahn.  

Heraclitus' fragments speak often of "logos", and I'm searching to find the difference between his meaning and the biblical meaning.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BevBeingDifferent wrote:
I tend to read nonfiction more.  Right now, two: Heraclitus Seminar -- Martin Heidegger and Eugen Fink; and The Art and Thought of Heraclitus -- Charles H. Kahn.  

Heraclitus' fragments speak often of "logos", and I'm searching to find the difference between his meaning and the biblical meaning.
I read or heard somewhere that Heraclitus influences Philo who then probably influenced John, or rather John knowing his audience used language and imagery to suit ("In the beginning was the word") But I might be wrong  Smilie_PDT  
I would be very interested to know what you find out
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

david_geoffrey wrote:
BevBeingDifferent wrote:
I tend to read nonfiction more.  Right now, two: Heraclitus Seminar -- Martin Heidegger and Eugen Fink; and The Art and Thought of Heraclitus -- Charles H. Kahn.  

Heraclitus' fragments speak often of "logos", and I'm searching to find the difference between his meaning and the biblical meaning.
I read or heard somewhere that Heraclitus influences Philo who then probably influenced John, or rather John knowing his audience used language and imagery to suit ("In the beginning was the word") But I might be wrong  Smilie_PDT  
I would be very interested to know what you find out


If there is such a link, I would love to find out more about it.  If you can remember where you read this, do please share.   :)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BevBeingDifferent wrote:
david_geoffrey wrote:
BevBeingDifferent wrote:
I tend to read nonfiction more.  Right now, two: Heraclitus Seminar -- Martin Heidegger and Eugen Fink; and The Art and Thought of Heraclitus -- Charles H. Kahn.  

Heraclitus' fragments speak often of "logos", and I'm searching to find the difference between his meaning and the biblical meaning.
I read or heard somewhere that Heraclitus influences Philo who then probably influenced John, or rather John knowing his audience used language and imagery to suit ("In the beginning was the word") But I might be wrong  Smilie_PDT  
I would be very interested to know what you find out


If there is such a link, I would love to find out more about it.  If you can remember where you read this, do please share.   :)


Some of the early Greek philosophers are absolutely fascinating, but it's so hard to find anything about them.

I have been rather hopeful that the new abilities to read the fire and water damaged documents from the library at Herculaneum may reveal some more of the early works related to these philosophers.

I had no idea about Heraclitus influencing Philo - although it would be a very short hop to then consider Philo influencing John.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meanwhile I'm also reading "A Princess on Mars" by Edgar Rice Burroughs (you have to have a small injection of pulp fiction periodically), before i start on the just bought Brothers Karamazov by Dostoyevsky.

On the non fiction front, I'm almost through the James Reason book (slight pause to read the Darzi report etc...) and have lined up my next one, Sidney Dekker's Just Culture - the perfect argument for why they are academically wrong to sack you...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took a course in graduate school on the ancient Greek philosophers, and the Presocratics were fascinating to me (Thales, Anaximander, Pythagoras, Zeno, and Democritus -- along with Heraclitus were among them).

It's so interesting that right around the time of the Babylonian exile of the Jews from the kingdom of Judah (late 6th century BC), men in Miletus (in modern-day Turkey) began to think in terms of existence, where we come from, what elements comprise the whole we experience.  

I remember thinking there must be a connection between the monotheistic nomads now living outside Judea having some influence on Greek thought molded by a capricious pantheon of gods.  

Heraclitus was the most interesting to me, as he so often made statements that revealed his almost microscopic insight into the paradox that only now, in light of quantum discoveries, are beginning to make so much sense.  But, he was not regarded as well in his day, having been nicknamed the "Puzzler," or "Riddler," because he made such seemingly outlandish statements.

Here are some examples:

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"We step into and we do not step into the same rivers.  We are and we are not."

"Nature loves to hide."

"Listening not to me but to the logos it is wise to agree that all things are one."


I think he was just brilliant.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So could you recommend some books Bev?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The two I previously suggested are good.  They contain all his known fragments (sayings) as well as the author's commentary.  But, they don't delve into the areas I am most interested in:  Heraclitus' view of God (logos?).  

There is a book written by a kind of spiritual swami named Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh called The Hidden Harmony that delves into the spirituality of Heraclitus, which a professor once suggested to me.  Here, this writer suggests Heraclitus was articulating a more universal path to God--kind of a monotheistic Hinduism.  Anyway, it took me three years to find this book, because there are few copies and it is out of print (the publisher is in India.)

When I was first exposed to him, I read his fragments only in a Greek Philosophy book assigned by the professor, but any book containing his fragments will do, I'm sure.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lexilogio wrote:
Meanwhile I'm also reading "A Princess on Mars" by Edgar Rice Burroughs (you have to have a small injection of pulp fiction periodically), before i start on the just bought Brothers Karamazov by Dostoyevsky.

On the non fiction front, I'm almost through the James Reason book (slight pause to read the Darzi report etc...) and have lined up my next one, Sidney Dekker's Just Culture - the perfect argument for why they are academically wrong to sack you...
Oh you lucky thing to be starting on The Brothers Karamazov, it is, despite not reading it now for about 15 years, one of the high points of my reading life. When I was younger, less religious, unmarried - I had a lot more time to read and voraciously devoured so many books that not all of them I can remember now, but this one - yes. (In fact I read it twice!) If you like this then I would heartily recommend Anna Karenin which I think is better than War and Peace; and as a sideways move try Rouge et Noir by Stendhal


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