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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:33 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

cyberman,

re: “I just wondered if that was the cause of your confusion...”

I’m sorry, but I still don’t see what the ending of the day at sunset has to do with the “discussion”.


re: “... reason you thought those quotes could suggest a Saturday resurrection.”

I’m not saying that they suggest a Saturday resurrection; only that they don’t preclude one.  I think that the resurrection probably did occur on the first day of the week, but only Mark 16:9 - as translated in the KJV - says so.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since it's been awhile, perhaps someone new looking in will know of an author.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Jews the first day of the week would have been?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Farmer Geddon,

re:  "As Jews the first day of the week would have been?"

It would have been the first day of the week.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Mark 16:9 Reply with quote

cole209 wrote:
A poster on another forum, the topic of which was questioning the authenticity of the last 12 verses in the book of Mark, wrote that it doesn’t really matter because there is no doctrinal teaching in Mark 16:9-20 that cannot be proved elsewhere in agreed Scripture.


I made the mistake of sticking my nose into the discussion by pointing out that actually there is a statement in verse 9, as the KJV and similar versions have it, that is used for a doctrinal teaching that is to be found nowhere else in Scripture. As the KJV translates it, it is the only place that puts the resurrection on the first day of the week. I then suggested that whenever the discussion of seventh day observance versus first day observance comes up, first day proponents usually use the idea of a first day resurrection to justify the change, and when questioned about the day of resurrection, quote Mark 16:9. The poster came back with: “Quote a published author who has done that.” - I have not yet been able to come up with one.  Does anyone here know of one?


Messiah was staked  at 9am on Passover Wednesday April 25th 31 AD (14 Nisan 3791) < Mark 15:25, Dan 9:1, 24-27>
Messiah died at 3pm <Matt 27:45-50, Mark 15:33-37, Luke 23:44-46>

Messiah resurrected Saturday evening  April 28th 31AD <Matt 28:1, Mark 16:2,9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19>
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Mark 16:9 Reply with quote

Truster wrote:
cole209 wrote:
A poster on another forum, the topic of which was questioning the authenticity of the last 12 verses in the book of Mark, wrote that it doesn’t really matter because there is no doctrinal teaching in Mark 16:9-20 that cannot be proved elsewhere in agreed Scripture.


I made the mistake of sticking my nose into the discussion by pointing out that actually there is a statement in verse 9, as the KJV and similar versions have it, that is used for a doctrinal teaching that is to be found nowhere else in Scripture. As the KJV translates it, it is the only place that puts the resurrection on the first day of the week. I then suggested that whenever the discussion of seventh day observance versus first day observance comes up, first day proponents usually use the idea of a first day resurrection to justify the change, and when questioned about the day of resurrection, quote Mark 16:9. The poster came back with: “Quote a published author who has done that.” - I have not yet been able to come up with one.  Does anyone here know of one?


Messiah was staked  at 9am on Passover Wednesday April 25th 31 AD (14 Nisan 3791) < Mark 15:25, Dan 9:1, 24-27>
Messiah died at 3pm <Matt 27:45-50, Mark 15:33-37, Luke 23:44-46>

Messiah resurrected Saturday evening  April 28th 31AD <Matt 28:1, Mark 16:2,9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19>


Yes, that is my understanding as we, not that it matters, it is sufficient to know that he died and was resurrected. Although we should consider why it normally took three days for someone to be crucified yet it took just 6 hours with Christ, despite the fact that he had nails driven through his hands, wrist and feet as opposed to the usual ropes, and was pierced in his side. It suggests that he had power over his own mortality.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Staked? That's very JW sounding.

http://tribunesandtriumphs.org/roman-life/roman-crucifixion.htm
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Mark 16:9 Reply with quote

Truster wrote:
cole209 wrote:
A poster on another forum, the topic of which was questioning the authenticity of the last 12 verses in the book of Mark, wrote that it doesn’t really matter because there is no doctrinal teaching in Mark 16:9-20 that cannot be proved elsewhere in agreed Scripture.


I made the mistake of sticking my nose into the discussion by pointing out that actually there is a statement in verse 9, as the KJV and similar versions have it, that is used for a doctrinal teaching that is to be found nowhere else in Scripture. As the KJV translates it, it is the only place that puts the resurrection on the first day of the week. I then suggested that whenever the discussion of seventh day observance versus first day observance comes up, first day proponents usually use the idea of a first day resurrection to justify the change, and when questioned about the day of resurrection, quote Mark 16:9. The poster came back with: “Quote a published author who has done that.” - I have not yet been able to come up with one.  Does anyone here know of one?


Messiah was staked  at 9am on Passover Wednesday April 25th 31 AD (14 Nisan 3791) < Mark 15:25, Dan 9:1, 24-27>
Messiah died at 3pm <Matt 27:45-50, Mark 15:33-37, Luke 23:44-46>

Messiah resurrected Saturday evening  April 28th 31AD <Matt 28:1, Mark 16:2,9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19>


Now that is an interesting turn of phrase. One you don't get in mainstream Christianity.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:11 am    Post subject: Re: Mark 16:9 Reply with quote

Lexilogio wrote:
Truster wrote:
cole209 wrote:
A poster on another forum, the topic of which was questioning the authenticity of the last 12 verses in the book of Mark, wrote that it doesn’t really matter because there is no doctrinal teaching in Mark 16:9-20 that cannot be proved elsewhere in agreed Scripture.


I made the mistake of sticking my nose into the discussion by pointing out that actually there is a statement in verse 9, as the KJV and similar versions have it, that is used for a doctrinal teaching that is to be found nowhere else in Scripture. As the KJV translates it, it is the only place that puts the resurrection on the first day of the week. I then suggested that whenever the discussion of seventh day observance versus first day observance comes up, first day proponents usually use the idea of a first day resurrection to justify the change, and when questioned about the day of resurrection, quote Mark 16:9. The poster came back with: “Quote a published author who has done that.” - I have not yet been able to come up with one.  Does anyone here know of one?


Messiah was staked  at 9am on Passover Wednesday April 25th 31 AD (14 Nisan 3791) < Mark 15:25, Dan 9:1, 24-27>
Messiah died at 3pm <Matt 27:45-50, Mark 15:33-37, Luke 23:44-46>

Messiah resurrected Saturday evening  April 28th 31AD <Matt 28:1, Mark 16:2,9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19>


Now that is an interesting turn of phrase. One you don't get in mainstream Christianity.

If you check the original Greek you’ll find a noun stauros which is wrongly translated as cross. You’ll also find a verb stauroo wrongly translated as crucified.

The Hebrew word yathed  means a tabernacle or tent stake. The Greek also means stake. For some reason the translators went with cross, but a tabernacle peg, pin or stake has never been called a cross.

When in doubt check the original meaning of the word in the context in which it was used.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are you doing?

How is Huw supposed to respond if you fuckin' mod him. This forum is getting like R&E by the day!!



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