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Synonym
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:19 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Leonard James wrote:
For me an atheist is somebody who doesn't believe there is such a thing as a 'supernatural' creator god.

However, as you say, there are a number of different ideas as to what an atheist is.
That is what I would have thought though I have heard it argued that an atheist can believe in a God.

The argument goes something like:
Atheism means 'without theism'.
So an atheist in someone who isn't a theist.
A deist isn't a theist.
Therefore a deist is an atheist.

So there you go, a person who believes in a God (albeit one that doesn't concern themselves with planet Earth) yet is an atheist, on this argument.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Splash,

A numpty, no , no, I could be wrong, just my tuppence worth.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Synonym wrote:
Leonard James wrote:
For me an atheist is somebody who doesn't believe there is such a thing as a 'supernatural' creator god.

However, as you say, there are a number of different ideas as to what an atheist is.
That is what I would have thought though I have heard it argued that an atheist can believe in a God.

The argument goes something like:
Atheism means 'without theism'.
So an atheist in someone who isn't a theist.
A deist isn't a theist.
Therefore a deist is an atheist.

So there you go, a person who believes in a God (albeit one that doesn't concern themselves with planet Earth) yet is an atheist, on this argument.


However:

An atheist means someone who doesn't believe in any gods.
A deist believes in a god (of some sort, after a fashion).
Therefore a deist can't be an atheist or vice versa.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just my own take. Poor old Andy with his heart rendingly "abstract" God, rather neglects the claims made by Christianity for its particular God, i.e. Jesus. That carpenter who being one third of God, arranged His own insemination of a virgin by the Holy Ghost, only so that He could be born as a man, do some preaching, get Himself arrested and executed,and then go off to live with His other 2 parts in heaven sitting on His own right hand side, - no less.

Nevertheless this "abstract" God came to Earth, (having created the universe beforehand), as a man who could walk on water, feed the 5000, bring Lazarus back from the dead, (and Himself), turn water into wine, drive pigs over a cliff, curse a fig tree, and whatever else. In other words this "abstract" God had a real and definite effect in this, - the real material world. I hope we all agree that THIS world exists. (Wigginhall wouldn't but luckily he's not here).

So Andy's rather lame excuse for a God as something within us all, could equally apply to DNA.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SceptiKarl wrote:
Just my own take. Poor old Andy with his heart rendingly "abstract" God, rather neglects the claims made by Christianity for its particular God, i.e. Jesus. That carpenter who being one third of God, arranged His own insemination of a virgin by the Holy Ghost, only so that He could be born as a man, do some preaching, get Himself arrested and executed,and then go off to live with His other 2 parts in heaven sitting on His own right hand side, - no less.

Nevertheless this "abstract" God came to Earth, (having created the universe beforehand), as a man who could walk on water, feed the 5000, bring Lazarus back from the dead, (and Himself), turn water into wine, drive pigs over a cliff, curse a fig tree, and whatever else. In other words this "abstract" God had a real and definite effect in this, - the real material world. I hope we all agree that THIS world exists. (Wigginhall wouldn't but luckily he's not here).

So Andy's rather lame excuse for a God as something within us all, could equally apply to DNA.

Brillliant, Karl! I had never thought about it like that before. That's it!

'God' is in our DNA ... and whether or not we are able to recognise that depends on the genetic hand we've been dealt. Some people manage to see it, others are misled into thinking he actually exists. The wilder ones even think they really talk to him!

Thank you!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Leonard, but hardly "brilliant" IMO. Rather mundane in fact. At least we, (all living organisms on Earth), wouldn't be "us" without DNA.  This God who is "within us all" could equally apply to carbon, - at least on Earth!


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SceptiKarl wrote:
Thank you Leonard, but hardly "brilliant" IMO. Rather mundane in fact. At least we, (all living organisms on Earth), wouldn't be "us" without DNA.  This God who is "within us all" could equally apply to carbon, - at least on Earth!


Yes, indeed! It's just that your post reaffirmed to me my idea of the cause of 'God' beliefs, and presented it in a new light.

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