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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:05 am    Post subject: Atheists converting to believers  Reply with quote

Hi All,

I have been thinking about this subject quite a bit, because I find it odd, to say the least. The only explanation I can find is that the existence of God was so strongly implanted in them by their cultural or religious upbringing that it finally overcame their reasoned atheism. Probably another factor with older conversions is approaching death and the desire for another life.

I think it is true to say that some of us atheists could, if we voluntarily offered ourselves to it, be indoctrinated to believe. Providing the indoctrination process was strong enough and applied continuously, some would convert.

I don't think it would work with me, but who knows? And to what purpose?

What do others think?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first thing that strikes me when I hear about this subject is the paucity of good evidence of the phenomenon. With nearly 7,000,000,000 people in the world I accept that it's bound to be happening somewhere: it's just that - in the circles I move in, at least - detailed examples seem to be exceedingly thin on the ground.

I don't think it would work with me, incidentally. I'm not so much an atheist as a meta-atheist: not only do I not take the concept of gods seriously in any way, I find it exceptionally difficult to believe that anybody, anywhere, else does either. I know that they say they do, but still ...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Steve,

I think that because I once believed, I find it easier to accept that some people really sincerely believe in God, because quite honestly, I once did.

I was brought up to the belief, both in family and culture, and it was inevitable that as an impressionable and romantic-minded youngster I would take it for granted.

It wasn't until I got to my teens that my reason kicked in and the doubts began, with the inevitable result.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Atheists converting to believers, Reply with quote

Leonard James wrote:

The only explanation I can find is that the existence of God was so strongly implanted in them by their cultural or religious upbringing that it finally overcame their reasoned atheism.


My atheism was entirely supported by a culture hostile to theism. School, pub, workplace, wherever you are people rip the piss out of theists.

My reasoned theism finally overcame this.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Atheists converting to believers, Reply with quote

cyberman wrote:
My reasoned theism


Oh, very good  
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Atheists converting to believers, Reply with quote

Shaker wrote:
cyberman wrote:
My reasoned theism


Oh, very good  


Do you have a point, or are you just being a dick?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leonard James wrote:
Hi Steve,

I think that because I once believed, I find it easier to accept that some people really sincerely believe in God, because quite honestly, I once did.


Yes, maybe that makes all the difference - I don't believe and moreover never have, which could explain my meta-atheism (which is just a term of my own coinage to describe the phenomenon explain in my earlier post, although it's not unique to me: Penn Jilette once said something very similar).
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Atheists converting to believers, Reply with quote

cyberman wrote:
wherever you are people rip the piss out of theists.


Shaker wrote:
cyberman wrote:
My reasoned theism


Oh, very good  


Quod erat demonstrandum
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Atheists converting to believers, Reply with quote

cyberman wrote:
Shaker wrote:
cyberman wrote:
My reasoned theism


Oh, very good  


Do you have a point, or are you just being a dick?


Don't you have websites to go to where you don't behave like a arsehole (answer: no, if here and R & E are any indication), or do you just want to be banned?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Atheists converting to believers, Reply with quote

Shaker wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Shaker wrote:
cyberman wrote:
My reasoned theism


Oh, very good  


Do you have a point, or are you just being a dick?


Don't you have websites to go to where you don't behave like a arsehole (answer: no, if here and R & E are any indication), or do you just want to be banned?


Well did you have a point or not?


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