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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:01 pm    Post subject: New fossil dino-bird...  Reply with quote

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/07/xiaotingia_zhengi.php

See link for details.

Another fossil uncovered, another link in evolution of birds from dinosaurs bolstered, another round of creationists pretending that it shoots holes in the ToE...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: New fossil dino-bird... Reply with quote

SqueakyVoice wrote:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/07/xiaotingia_zhengi.php

See link for details.

Another fossil uncovered, another link in evolution of birds from dinosaurs bolstered, another round of creationists pretending that it shoots holes in the ToE...


I had a read of the thread following your link. I didn't see a lot of creationists' posts.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: New fossil dino-bird... Reply with quote

cyberman wrote:
SqueakyVoice wrote:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/07/xiaotingia_zhengi.php

See link for details.

Another fossil uncovered, another link in evolution of birds from dinosaurs bolstered, another round of creationists pretending that it shoots holes in the ToE...


I had a read of the thread following your link. I didn't see a lot of creationists' posts.


If you can stomach it, you can read the usual twaddle from the cretinists via the link here.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:36 pm    Post subject: Re: New fossil dino-bird... Reply with quote

Shaker wrote:
cyberman wrote:
SqueakyVoice wrote:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/07/xiaotingia_zhengi.php

See link for details.

Another fossil uncovered, another link in evolution of birds from dinosaurs bolstered, another round of creationists pretending that it shoots holes in the ToE...


I had a read of the thread following your link. I didn't see a lot of creationists' posts.


If you can stomach it, you can read the usual twaddle from the cretinists via the link here.


I think the creationist posts must have been removed. There are some comments in there about trolls and sockpuppets having posts removed, so I think I got there too late.

Never mind.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:59 pm    Post subject: Re: New fossil dino-bird... Reply with quote

cyberman wrote:
Shaker wrote:
cyberman wrote:
SqueakyVoice wrote:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/07/xiaotingia_zhengi.php

See link for details.

Another fossil uncovered, another link in evolution of birds from dinosaurs bolstered, another round of creationists pretending that it shoots holes in the ToE...


I had a read of the thread following your link. I didn't see a lot of creationists' posts.


If you can stomach it, you can read the usual twaddle from the cretinists via the link here.


I think the creationist posts must have been removed. There are some comments in there about trolls and sockpuppets having posts removed, so I think I got there too late.

Never mind.


No, I said that you could read the cretinists comments via that link, not there directly: they're mentioned by name - WorldNetDaily (US swivel-eyed frothing right-winger looney-tunes site) and Uncommon Descent (creationist site).
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you.

This is exciting - although having been aware that a previous one was a hoax, I'm a tentative on accepting it just yet.

Do we know how they are sure it had feathers?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lexilogio wrote:
Thank you.

This is exciting - although having been aware that a previous one was a hoax, I'm a tentative on accepting it just yet.

Do we know how they are sure it had feathers?


Lexi,

I think the fraudulent fossil you're referring to was 'archaeoraptor'. IIRC, it was fairly quickly found to be a fraud and hadn't gone through the usual process of peer review before it's existence was announced at a press conference. Also, when the actual fossils were examined they turned out to be very important in their own right.

I haven't seen any report that directly indicates how they know xiaotingia had feathers, but if you try...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Feathered_dinosaurs

It gives links to nearly 30 fossils with various bird/ dinosaur fossils some of which give descriptions of how we know they had feathers. Mainly (seems to be) because the feathers are fossilised, though I did find one where it's because of the presence of quills. Not sure which it is in this case.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a pity that people were so silly as to fake a fossil, because of course it only gives support to the creationists' position which is that fossil finds are misleading.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is a pity that people were so silly as to fake a fossil, because of course it only gives support to the creationists' position which is that fossil finds are misleading.


It's not really 'silly', as the Chinese farmer who most likely cemented together the separate pieces to create the misleading fossil probably made good money for his efforts.

This wasn't a case of silly scientists and palaeontologists trying to create material to hoodwink the public and support their theories, it was a case of a member of the public trying to fool the professionals, which would have been recognised and debunked without any fuss if the National Geographic (a popular journal rather than a peer review one) had not been in such a rush to get their story.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pukon_the_Treen wrote:

It's not really 'silly', as the Chinese farmer who most likely cemented together the separate pieces to create the misleading fossil probably made good money for his efforts.


So if something makes money it can't be called silly!

Spoken like a true Thatcherite, Pukon.

I stand by my assessment that it was a silly thing to do.


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