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bnabernard
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:17 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

John 5
21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,


So the Father does not realy exist, is He dead, is that what died on the tree, the Father?

Get with the program and and use your brain for what it was given you for, when things don't add up it's not a mystery there is an answer missing.

The Father entrusts Judgement, that means that the son has proven to use the Fathers teaching, ultimaterly it is the Fathers Judgement as the son does nothing less the Father shews him.

The plumline is the Fathers.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jhn 1:12   But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:  


Jhn 1:13   Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morning Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
Jhn 1:12   But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:  


Jhn 1:13   Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


What does John mean when he writes that believe on his name.
because those condemned already, are those  who do not believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God

John 3
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

John 12
44 Then Yeshua cried out and said, “He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me. 45 And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me. 46 I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe,[i] I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. 48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.”

What does it mean Bernie to believe on His Name the Name of the only Begotten God.

John 1 New World Translation
18No man has seen God at any time; the only‐begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well LeClerc
No matter how far I walk with you the concept of a Shaliach will it seems continue to go over your head, even the Pope understands as he parades as one, yet for all that I have said, and all that scripture has said, it still passes you by.  


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bnabernard wrote:
Jhn 1:12   But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:  


Jhn 1:13   Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


Bernard,
Now I am confused?
Is this part of scripture that you do believe?
You think it is ok to pick and mix, some parts you quote as proof texts and others you disregard?

How can you think this is ok?

Honey
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11For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Bernard.
Here is a true scripture, a Christian guide to life as it should be lived in trust and obedience to the word of YHWH......

4There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when you were called— 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

7But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. 8This is why ita says:

“When he ascended on high,

he led captives in his train

and gave gifts to men.”b

9(What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regionsc? 10He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

14Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. 15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. 16From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

Ephesians 4

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11For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. 15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. 16From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.


So then prepare yourself to know the truth.
It would help in your preparation if you stop feeding at a trough of lies.

Once you understand simple what sent and return to means then you will be a little way closer as you understand the role of the Shaliach

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just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.”


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bnabernard wrote:
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Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. 15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ. 16From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.


So then prepare yourself to know the truth.
It would help in your preparation if you stop feeding at a trough of lies.

Once you understand simple what sent and return to means then you will be a little way closer as you understand the role of the Shaliach

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just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.”


bernard (hug)


I know the truth thank you Bernard, through YHWH's inspired word and the leading of the Holy Spirit, nothing else is required.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And though the opening statement offends the eyes that do not comprehend the light, I shall none the less publish, once again a link that hels understand a shaliach and the Importance of a shaliach.

http://www.torahofmessiah.com/shaliach.htm


One who in a measure takes the place of the father, interesting himself in the child's welfare is called a shaliah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaliach

Though I realise these sites will be ignored by Leclerc and Honey alter ego's as I call them, but they may interest others who genuinley seek the truth of the matter.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bnabernard wrote:


Though I realise these sites will be ignored by Leclerc and Honey alter ego's as I call them, but they may interest others who genuinley seek the truth of the matter.

bernard (hug)


You are not wrong there Bernard.
Could you possibly enlighten us as to what is meant about Honey, LeClerc and 'alter egos'
Thanks.
Honey


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