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Shaker
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:50 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

You've been on the yellow pills again haven't you?  
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Leonard James
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You've been on the yellow pills again haven't you?  

It's all in the mind, Steve.

Yellow? I thought they were blue!  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So did I.  I agreed with Shaker earlier, now I agree with Leonard.

Don't want to make a habit of this but it's nice occasionally to agree on something.  Normal service will be resumed pronto however.

Maybe Shaker is thinking of bananas.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leonard James wrote:
Shaker wrote:
You've been on the yellow pills again haven't you?  

It's all in the mind, Steve.

Yellow? I thought they were blue!  


I think that is Viagra Len..

"Yellow pills" as I know them are an anti-anxiety drug frequently used for recreational use.  

But I believe Shaker is referring to a story by Rog Phillips - written in the late 50's where, if you took said pill, you feel that "reality practically shouts down any fantasy insertions."

I could be wrong though..
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Boss,
Boss Cat wrote:

All the same, I do think Leonard's argument strong when considering a benevolent God, even if, as I say, I come to a different conclusion.  I'm not convinced at all by your reasoning Leonard, it seems almost tautological.  Your starting point seems to be an emotional response to the nature of God - but that's fair enough and that makes sense.  With you on the emotions, not on the rationality but different conclusion anyway.  I expect my argument seems pretty unconvincing to you.

Well, I would be interested to hear the rational argument that reconciles a God of love and compassion with having created the cruel prey/predator system of life. That is the main stumbling block for me, though there are other anomalies, of course.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose I'm like most people, I like doing nice things for people, gives me a bit of a glow, give a bit to charity, a few bits of voluntary work, sometimes give up nice things to do something boring for someone else.  But it's not very much, is it?   And there is still so much misery and it seems so arbitrary, I don't even scratch the surface.  Can you really enjoy yourself knowing that innocent people suffer so much and that tyrants can get away with it for so long, maybe for ever?   I suppose I need to know there is justice somewhere.

As for your question, how can I believe in a loving God with such a predatory system, with such suffering.  Well, according to the Native American the wolf keeps the buffalo strong that's one of the many ways that people have and continue to rationalise this.  Something in that.  But  I can't help seeing, feeling, knowing that this universe is full of hope,  order, courage,  compassion, love; to me there is a benevolence behind it, it is bigger than me, separate from me and kind.

To you the universe might be a dangerous and frightening place.  Well, I can see that.  You might think it is indifferent, I don't, well this part of it isn't!  The way I see it the universe gave me life and nurtures me and keeps me alive.  It has a place for me and I will be part of it even after I am dead.

That's how I do it.  Don't expect you to for one minute or even to know what I'm on about.  But I do.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's how I do it.  Don't expect you to for one minute or even to know what I'm on about.  But I do.

Fair enough, BC, as long as you're happy with your belief that's all that matters.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Shrub, you know I am a theist, that's enough to make me an idiot in some people's eyes wouldn't.  But we'll disagree about whether calling names is good argument or not.


But technically the woman in the clip was right. The fact that the term idiot has been turned into a rude put down by the masses doesn't change the fact of the truth of the situation. The guys comment came from the crazy idea of la-la land.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, according to the Native American the wolf keeps the buffalo strong that's one of the many ways that people have and continue to rationalise this.


That sounds like evolution ; survival of the fittest.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boss Cat writes:

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I must admit SkepticKarl has done a fantastic job of reading my post and answering another.  Firstly I don't think he quite understood how I was using the argument of numbers and secondly did I mention Christianity in mine?  I thought I talked specifically about theism and the divine, didn't I?  Maybe I've forgotten what I actually posted and haven't gone back no time.  Perhaps he can show where I mention Christianity being right because there's a lot of Christians.   I am one, but I really can't see how what you are saying is at all relevant to what I posted.


Thanks for the compliment! As you say, I may well have answered that old chesnut; that because lots of people believe in the Great Prophet Zarqhuon, that doesn't make him real! It's true, I am assuming that you are some sort of Christian. Please feel free to correct me. I think my assumption is reasonably well based because Christianity, in all its thousands of varieties, claims the largest number of theists in the world.
So I'm sorry if my post was irrelevant to what you posted, but as you say, it answered someone else!




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