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Leonard James
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:10 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Shrub Dweller wrote:
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Well, according to the Native American the wolf keeps the buffalo strong that's one of the many ways that people have and continue to rationalise this.


That sounds like evolution ; survival of the fittest.

Yes, that's the nature of the beast, total indifference to suffering.

It is inconceivable that it could have been set in motion by a loving, compassionate creator god.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As for your question, how can I believe in a loving God with such a predatory system, with such suffering.  Well, according to the Native American the wolf keeps the buffalo strong that's one of the many ways that people have and continue to rationalise this.


So for all the "personal" relationships with the creator of the universe, the point of evolution is to foster fierce competition between wildlife. The wolves v the bison! Individual animals die horrendous deaths, whether through predation or starvation. No doubt God has some short cut to animal heaven for suffering animals. It was the very competition between living organisms that made Darwin lose his Christianity. Why not you?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it sounds as though the Native Americans did get a grasp on evolution, doesn't it!  They called up the goddess who they believed was the spirit of the wolf, I think.  There never really has been a conflict between religious belief and evolutionary theories.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Karl, I did not say you answered someone else's post; I said you answered another post - and that was the imaginary one in your head.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shrub - I thought Ms Smurthwaite was calling anyone with faith an idiot, wasn't she? And if someone has ideas others consider odd would that mean they had a low IQ?  That's if she is referring only to the man in the clip (which I didn't think she was).

Just out of interest, because I can't really follow the point you are trying to make.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Animal worship stems from early post flood days when there were few humans and plenty of animals and insects.

The surviving post flood 'spirits' previously viewed in the flesh as gods needed transport and recognition.


however, get your stones here.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No Karl, I did not say you answered someone else's post; I said you answered another post - and that was the imaginary one in your head.


Well at least only the post was imaginary! Now just think what might have happened had I imagined an all powerful creator of the universe, who told me that I had to fly an aircraft into a building, or who told me that I had to kill witches and burn heretics! At least my imagination hurts no-one else!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boss Cat wrote:
Shrub - I thought Ms Smurthwaite was calling anyone with faith an idiot, wasn't she? And if someone has ideas others consider odd would that mean they had a low IQ?  That's if she is referring only to the man in the clip (which I didn't think she was).

Just out of interest, because I can't really follow the point you are trying to make.

From the clip, which I'm basing my views, it was just aimed at the man's comments. But this could be extended to a more general outlook. An idiot in the Greek form, from what I understand, is not someone who is neccesarily of a low IQ just someone who entertains dreamworld and fanciful ideas and notions.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Animal worship stems from early post flood days when there were few humans and plenty of animals and insects.


What flood?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bnabernard wrote:
Animal worship stems from early post flood days when there were few humans and plenty of animals and insects.

The surviving post flood 'spirits' previously viewed in the flesh as gods needed transport and recognition.


however, get your stones here.

bernard  


Morning Bern - one point though: If Mr and Mrs Noah and all the little Noahians had worshiped/slaughtered any of the animals from the ark to appeased God then that species would have ceased to exist - is that what happened to the Unicorns and Trolls?

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