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Christopher Hitchens dies.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:07 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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Man is not intelligent enough to be athiest.


Why not?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Secondly since this man has died he has since found the truth and now rests safely with Our Lord and Saviour.


Pure assertion! cymrudynnion is completely ignoring what the Bible says about what will happen to Hitchens, which is the fiery lake and eternal torture, and instead paints a happy ending!

Falsehoods? Nay problem for s true Christian! (BTW, don't forget that Commandment about not bearing false witness.)

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

genghiscant wrote:
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Man is not intelligent enough to be athiest.


Why not?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Secondly since this man has died he has since found the truth and now rests safely with Our Lord and Saviour.


Pure assertion! cymrudynnion is completely ignoring what the Bible says about what will happen to Hitchens, which is the fiery lake and eternal torture, and instead paints a happy ending!

Falsehoods? Nay problem for s true Christian! (BTW, don't forget that Commandment about not bearing false witness.)
No assertion. If one believes in Christ one knows the Lord will take you in his arms at death and forgive indiscretions.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did Jesus take Hitler and Stalin in his arms and forgive them? How about the SS guards in the death camps? Or those Spanish RCC Conquistators in South America who butchered and tortured their way into the continent?

OK Hitchens did nothing like those people, but he sure as anything didn't believe in Jesus!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Did Jesus take Hitler and Stalin in his arms and forgive them? How about the SS guards in the death camps? Or those Spanish RCC Conquistators in South America who butchered and tortured their way into the continent?

OK Hitchens did nothing like those people, but he sure as anything didn't believe in Jesus!


It's not for us to decide who has enough goodness to earn God's forgiveness and eternal blessing in heaven. I agree that it would be hard to understand if God forgave people like Hitler - or serial killers. But we don't know.

I find it hard to accept that God would reject people who were generally good - simply because they did not believe. Perhaps its because my Gran was a confirmed atheist. Plus I've met some lovely atheists on these boards. I think God can see through the front - and would accept those who have love in their hearts for others.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Above you have posted another quote - this time from the Catholic Encyclopaedia - which again does not support your position.


My position is that hell is a concept which has no basis in reality. What do you think, if anything, is happening to Hitchen's immortal soul?


No, the position which you have stated and which you are attempting to jsutify is that we think that you are going to hell for being an atheist. We do not think that.

I have no idea what is happening to the man's soul, but I don;t suppose anything terrible!

I do not think that being an atheist gets you sent to hell. You have claimed that this is Catholic teaching, but you have failed to supply a source which supports your claim.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its quite simple reeally. The man thought or believed he was an athiest and as been stated many times before by others of greater knowledge than myself Man is not intelligent enough to be athiest.


So presumably cymrudynnion is not clever enough to not believe in Allah, Thor, Vishna, Zeus or countless other gods? How about fairies or Harry Potter, Hamlet, David Copperfield? Do we need super intelligence not to believe in them too?

Or, as it seems more sensible to me, regard them all as fictional characters who can affect our emotions, without our having to believe them to be real?
By the same token Scep neither are you intelligent enough
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SceptiKarl wrote:
Did Jesus take Hitler and Stalin in his arms and forgive them? How about the SS guards in the death camps? Or those Spanish RCC Conquistators in South America who butchered and tortured their way into the continent?

OK Hitchens did nothing like those people, but he sure as anything didn't believe in Jesus!
He may not have believed in Jesus during his earthly life but he sure knows differently now he rests with Our Lord in eternal life
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cymrudynnion wrote:
SceptiKarl wrote:
Did Jesus take Hitler and Stalin in his arms and forgive them? How about the SS guards in the death camps? Or those Spanish RCC Conquistators in South America who butchered and tortured their way into the continent?

OK Hitchens did nothing like those people, but he sure as anything didn't believe in Jesus!
He may not have believed in Jesus during his earthly life but he sure knows differently now he rests with Our Lord in eternal life


More supposition - you don't know that and neither do I. You might want that to be the case - but wanting something doesn't necessarily make it true.

There is another point about wanting not being the same as getting - but I'll leave that for another discussion.


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