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Shrub Dweller
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:54 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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Having an automatic unfounded hostility to members of other tribes does not convey any advantage at all.

It does if they are trying to nick your women.


Well, if they are trying to nick your women, it isn’t unfounded is it, dufus?

 

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Are you saying that mankind has always been rational and logical


No, I am not saying that.

Then you may attack another group out of sheer fear. Do a Bushy and do a pre-emptive strike. If a group looks like another group that caused you trouble you may do this. I am also wondering how far back you are going ? We are talking about evolution here so think in millions of years.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Could the ability to reason and be logical be part of being human?

I don't know or anything, just a question.

I think of the Adam and Eve myth as being about the ability to make rational choices between good and evil being essentially human.

I don't understanding what you are getting at, we do reason and think logically and is thus part of being human.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that's what I meant.  When you asked whether humans have always been logical and rational I was suggesting that rationality and logic have been part of what makes humans human.

Not that I know of course, I was wondering.  And another thing.   Just because you might have other responses does not mean that you don't have the ability to rational and logical.   And sometimes rationality, logic, emotion, spirituality, imagination might be linked.  In fact probably quite a lot of the time they are.

I mean fear might be quite rational or a bit rational or rational once upon a time.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well that's what I meant.  When you asked whether humans have always been logical and rational I was suggesting that rationality and logic have been part of what makes humans human.

Not that I know of course, I was wondering.  And another thing.   Just because you might have other responses does not mean that you don't have the ability to rational and logical.   And sometimes rationality, logic, emotion, spirituality, imagination might be linked.  In fact probably quite a lot of the time they are.

I mean fear might be quite rational or a bit rational or rational once upon a time.

Cyber was implying that the way he/we think today with our education and all that was how people in the past approached things i.e. he was applying his mindset and cultural norms to people in the past. I challenged that, hence my comment. Logic and reason as a discipline is new to man's history and is not the way our distant ancestors would have thought. It is questionable whether that people today are that highly logical or rational in their thinking but still work predominately in a more intuitive and instinctual way, though in a more elaborate format than our animal cousins.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cyber was implying that the way he/we think today with our education and all that was how people in the past approached things


Cyber was implying no such thing! I was simply stating the fact that having a broader gene pool conveys an evolutionary advantage. I explicitly stated that mindset has nowt to do with it - the pressures of natural selection apply to all creatures, regardless of what, if anything, they might think.

Do learn to read, Dweller.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberman wrote:
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Cyber was implying that the way he/we think today with our education and all that was how people in the past approached things


Cyber was implying no such thing! I was simply stating the fact that having a broader gene pool conveys an evolutionary advantage. I explicitly stated that mindset has nowt to do with it - the pressures of natural selection apply to all creatures, regardless of what, if anything, they might think.

Do learn to read, Dweller.

I can read and that is not what you implied. You implied that our ancestors thought this through and so formed alliances with other groups to form this larger gene pool. I don't know how far back in time you are considering here but the evidence points the other way that group solidarity and loyalty in fact caused conflicts with other groups. And peaceful accords were usually quite fragile.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I understood it as the age of the dinosaurs ended the mammals, these weird little mouse like creatures took over.  And they were pretty weedy and defenceless compared with the might of the dinosaurs but they had one thing going for them.  They suckled their young.  They formed bonds.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As I understood it as the age of the dinosaurs ended the mammals, these weird little mouse like creatures took over.  And they were pretty weedy and defenceless compared with the might of the dinosaurs but they had one thing going for them.  They suckled their young.  They formed bonds.

The main advantage the mammals had when the age of the dinosaurs ended was that they were alive and the dinosaurs were as go as dead, except for the bird group. The mammals started evolving at about the same time as the dinosaurs, around 250 million years ago, but for some reason they stayed small and in the background. This smallness probably saved their lives when the astroid hit the earth 65 million years ago. Only when the vicious brutes dead out did the mammals have the courage to increase in size.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Only when the vicious brutes dead out did the mammals have the courage to increase in size.

I think 'opportunity' is the appropriate word here, not 'courage'.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Only when the vicious brutes dead out did the mammals have the courage to increase in size.

I think 'opportunity' is the appropriate word here, not 'courage'.

No it's courage, because they had started evolving at the same time as the dinosaurs but kept their heads down, and hid themselves in the shrubbery, and were fearful that the giants would say "Ni" to them.

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