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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:28 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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My response was to your Muslim vs Judaism post. I'm just saying there are splits within these religions. With the Muslims it tends to be more on religious grounds where as in Israel some of it is more political.


I've no doubt that there are political schisms in Iran & Israel. My point however, was that the main problem between, Iran v Israel, is religious. It may be one sided or not, but it's there.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Israel v Iran. Reply with quote

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From today's papers it looks like Israel will attack Iran's nuclear capability within 2 months. Another war with its roots deep in the soil of religion.
Considering the state of Israel has only existed since 1948 hardly steeped in religion.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Considering the state of Israel has only existed since 1948 hardly steeped in religion.


Israel is a Jewish state, its main religion is Judaism which is much older than yours.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Considering the state of Israel has only existed since 1948 hardly steeped in religion.


Israel is a Jewish state, its main religion is Judaism which is much older than yours.
And the scrpiture of Judaism form the o.T. or so i am tld
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My response was to your Muslim vs Judaism post. I'm just saying there are splits within these religions. With the Muslims it tends to be more on religious grounds where as in Israel some of it is more political.


I've no doubt that there are political schisms in Iran & Israel. My point however, was that the main problem between, Iran v Israel, is religious. It may be one sided or not, but it's there.

The thing is both Islam and Judaism are both spiritual and political systems. They cater for and govern the day to day lives of their believers aswell as their spiritual needs, so I don't think the issue is that clear cut. But if you are saying there is God in there somewhere then yes this is a driving force in the issue.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The thing is both Islam and Judaism are both spiritual and political systems. They cater for and govern the day to day lives of their believers aswell as their spiritual needs, so I don't think the issue is that clear cut. But if you are saying there is God in there somewhere then yes this is a driving force in the issue.


If Iran was a Hebrew state, then it wouldn't be calling for the annihilation of Israel. Religion is the driving force.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The thing is both Islam and Judaism are both spiritual and political systems. They cater for and govern the day to day lives of their believers aswell as their spiritual needs, so I don't think the issue is that clear cut. But if you are saying there is God in there somewhere then yes this is a driving force in the issue.


If Iran was a Hebrew state, then it wouldn't be calling for the annihilation of Israel. Religion is the driving force.


Being of the same religion never prevented states from going to war with each other in the past.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Being of the same religion never prevented states from going to war with each other in the past.


Quite right, but the friction between Iran & Israel is religious. Do you deny it?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The thing is both Islam and Judaism are both spiritual and political systems. They cater for and govern the day to day lives of their believers aswell as their spiritual needs, so I don't think the issue is that clear cut. But if you are saying there is God in there somewhere then yes this is a driving force in the issue.


If Iran was a Hebrew state, then it wouldn't be calling for the annihilation of Israel. Religion is the driving force.

Well no, because then they would be included in it i.e. they would be wanting to destroy themselves in effect. Israel also includes the people and the faith aswell as the land. But I take your point.

Mine being that not all Iranians want this, as some would like to be part of the western modern world (remember the Arab type spring protests after the elections). Therefore, your comment also refers to the government of the day i.e. politics. A politics shaped by their Shia faith.

And if Iran did destroy Israel would they stop there ? Iran is Shia and many of the pro-Western world Arabs are Sunni, so ......... If you are following the troubles in Syria you will understand the religious and political games going on there, which echo my sentiments on this thread.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you take religion out of the equation, things become much simpler. Then it's just tribal, which is bad enough.


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