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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:04 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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Being of the same religion never prevented states from going to war with each other in the past.


Quite right, but the friction between Iran & Israel is religious. Do you deny it?


Yes, I do deny it.

I think that it's mostly political with a veneer of religion for the simple man in the street.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you take religion out of the equation, things become much simpler. Then it's just tribal, which is bad enough.

If you take politics out of the equation things become much simpler. Then all you are left with is a load of pesky kids biting and scratching.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you take religion out of the equation, things become much simpler. Then it's just tribal, which is bad enough.


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If you take politics out of the equation things become much simpler. Then all you are left with is a load of pesky kids biting and scratching.


If you take politics out of the equation in the Middle East does this help with the Sunni v Shia situation?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

genghiscant wrote:
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If you take religion out of the equation, things become much simpler. Then it's just tribal, which is bad enough.


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If you take politics out of the equation things become much simpler. Then all you are left with is a load of pesky kids biting and scratching.


If you take politics out of the equation in the Middle East does this help with the Sunni v Shia situation?


The Sunni v Shia situation was politics. There was very little religion in that. It was about who controlled Mohammed's legacy.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Sunni v Shia situation was politics. There was very little religion in that. It was about who controlled Mohammed's legacy.


I think the history is irrelevant to the situation today. Lines have been drawn in the sand, Sunni one side & Shia on the other. It's religious. Iran v Israel is religious.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

genghiscant wrote:
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If you take religion out of the equation, things become much simpler. Then it's just tribal, which is bad enough.


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If you take politics out of the equation things become much simpler. Then all you are left with is a load of pesky kids biting and scratching.


If you take politics out of the equation in the Middle East does this help with the Sunni v Shia situation?

I meant aswell as, but it was a little tongue in cheek.

However, Islam is politics because the Quran sets out how people should live and work, and run their lives. God is in there because when it was formed God was a given, like if I formed a country today it would have a flag and everything. The split that created the Sunni and Shia is essentially a political one and just greed for power and dominance; who is the rightful leader. God is just a sideline in all this.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

genghiscant wrote:
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The Sunni v Shia situation was politics. There was very little religion in that. It was about who controlled Mohammed's legacy.


I think the history is irrelevant to the situation today. Lines have been drawn in the sand, Sunni one side & Shia on the other. It's religious. Iran v Israel is religious.


But the Sunni /Shia split is more political / tribal. I don't see a religious aspect - although I will admit to not being an expert on the modern differences.


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