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Leonard James
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:50 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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By the same token, terrorists, paedophiles, idiots and bigots are not necessarily religious.


Of course not. There again believing that a dead man, (previously born of a virgin), rose up on the 3rd day and levitated Himself to heaven to sit beside Himself on His own right hand side, doesn't exactly provide good credentials for the interpretation of reality!

Make the story daft enough and there will always be some goggle-eyed fool who will believe it!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leonard James wrote:
SceptiKarl wrote:
There again believing that a dead man, (previously born of a virgin), rose up on the 3rd day and levitated Himself to heaven to sit beside Himself on His own right hand side, doesn't exactly provide good credentials for the interpretation of reality!

Make the story daft enough and there will always be some goggle-eyed fool who will believe it!


Are you branding all Christians "goggle-eyed fools" Leonard for believing in the virgin birth, the resurrection and the ascension?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Boyg wrote:
Leonard James wrote:
SceptiKarl wrote:
There again believing that a dead man, (previously born of a virgin), rose up on the 3rd day and levitated Himself to heaven to sit beside Himself on His own right hand side, doesn't exactly provide good credentials for the interpretation of reality!

Make the story daft enough and there will always be some goggle-eyed fool who will believe it!


Are you branding all Christians "goggle-eyed fools" Leonard for believing in the virgin birth, the resurrection and the ascension?

Yes, but with the qualification that they are simply the victims of cultural indoctrination.

I was once one of them, and freely admit to my foolishness at that time.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leonard James wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
Leonard James wrote:
SceptiKarl wrote:
There again believing that a dead man, (previously born of a virgin), rose up on the 3rd day and levitated Himself to heaven to sit beside Himself on His own right hand side, doesn't exactly provide good credentials for the interpretation of reality!

Make the story daft enough and there will always be some goggle-eyed fool who will believe it!


Are you branding all Christians "goggle-eyed fools" Leonard for believing in the virgin birth, the resurrection and the ascension?

Yes, but with the qualification that they are simply the victims of cultural indoctrination.


So you're saying that they wouldn't be "goggle-eyed fools" otherwise.

But surely foolishness is an intrinsic quality?

Your comment seems like nothing more than bigotry to me: "you are fools because you believe in something that I don't".

You are claiming to be better than other people (unless you think that there is no value judgement attached to calling someone else a "goggle-eyed fool") solely because you are an atheist.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Boyg wrote:

So you're saying that they wouldn't be "goggle-eyed fools" otherwise.

But surely foolishness is an intrinsic quality?

No it isn't. Some people can be foolish about some things and very unfoolish in others. I myself am guilty of it.

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Your comment seems like nothing more than bigotry to me: "you are fools because you believe in something that I don't".

I am not in the least concerned what it seems like to you ... you have repeatedly shown yourself to be a nit-picking bore.
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You are claiming to be better than other people (unless you think that there is no value judgement attached to calling someone else a "goggle-eyed fool") solely because you are an atheist.

Another idiotic statement. I don't claim to be better just because I am not so easily fooled ... in fact I had nothing to do with the ability, it was simply the luck of the genetic lottery.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few random thoughts:

The Boyg wrote:
So you're saying that they wouldn't be "goggle-eyed fools" otherwise.

That's debatable at least.

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Your comment seems like nothing more than bigotry to me: "you are fools because you believe in something that I don't".

That doesn't necessarily and inherently follow - people who believe in, for example, (party political) Conservatism believe in something I don't but I don't think they're fools on account of it: I think that they think they have good reasons for their belief in that political system and could give a good account of them if called upon to do so. I think those reasons are lacking and I don't think they're correct: I think their beliefs are more often than not wrong and more often than not contribute overall to the sum total of human unhappiness in the world. But they're not fools.

You can have a reasonable discussion about political beliefs, though, which in my eyes you simply can't about religious beliefs. The latter don't offer the reason, logic and evidence that you can in principle and usually in practice get with political debate, so the two things are not on level pegging.

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You are claiming to be better than other people (unless you think that there is no value judgement attached to calling someone else a "goggle-eyed fool") solely because you are an atheist.

Doesn't that apply to anyone and indeed everyone? Would Leonard or anybody else be an atheist if he/they didn't think that atheism was most likely the true and accurate stance about the nature of reality? Doesn't exactly the same go for theists too? The parity ends there because as I've already said, the two stances are not equal when it comes to reason, logic and evidence, but partisanship as applied to one's own political or religious or philsophical or culural beliefs is hardly news to anyone, surely. Nobody ever says "I'm a staunch Labour supporter, but socialism is a load of old cobblers and Labour supporters are all vermin - myself included." Surely everybody holds their worldview or belief system because they think it is true and right: you wouldn't hold that worldview unless you believe that those who believe otherwise, whichever way you dress it up and however much soft soap to apply to it or however you sugar the pill, are simply wrong.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leonard James wrote:
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You are claiming to be better than other people (unless you think that there is no value judgement attached to calling someone else a "goggle-eyed fool") solely because you are an atheist.

I don't claim to be better just because I am not so easily fooled ... in fact I had nothing to do with the ability, it was simply the luck of the genetic lottery.


So you think that, as an atheist, you are genetically superior to Christians (who you claim are all "goggle-eyed fools").
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaker wrote:
A few random thoughts:

The Boyg wrote:
So you're saying that they wouldn't be "goggle-eyed fools" otherwise.

That's debatable at least.


That's what Len claimed. Christians are all "goggle-eyed fools" by virtue of the fact that they hold Christian beliefs.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Boyg wrote:
Shaker wrote:
A few random thoughts:

The Boyg wrote:
So you're saying that they wouldn't be "goggle-eyed fools" otherwise.

That's debatable at least.


That's what Len claimed. Christians are all "goggle-eyed fools" by virtue of the fact that they hold Christian beliefs.

If so many Christian didn't act like goggle-eyed fools so much of the time I doubt that the accusation would sting quite as much as it evidently does such that you would need to repeat it as you have  
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaker wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
Shaker wrote:
A few random thoughts:
The Boyg wrote:
So you're saying that they wouldn't be "goggle-eyed fools" otherwise.

That's debatable at least.

That's what Len claimed. Christians are all "goggle-eyed fools" by virtue of the fact that they hold Christian beliefs.

If so many Christian didn't act like goggle-eyed fools so much of the time


Len said that Christians are all "goggle-eyed fools" by virtue of their beliefs and not of their actions though Shaker.

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