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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:21 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

In Thomas we have a wonderful example of how GOD understands that we are human and will sometimes have doubts, but it's also a lesson in how our humility and openness to the light, brings gladness to the LORD when we finally 'get it' and see Him as our Lord and our God.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I always wonder when it comes ot Thomas is 'where was he?'. When Jesus appeared the first time, he wasn't there. Now, they were all in hiding, in fear of their lives, so I don't imagine he nipped out to feed the ducks. It must have been something important. While the rest were hiding away he was out and about - maybe teaching, maybe helping, maybe just getting bread to feed the 'church' while they hid. In any case, he had the guts to be out doing stuff, presumably important stuff, while they didn't.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Thomas the believer. Reply with quote

Jim,

re: “Is there still room for doubt in our faith?”


No.  You can’t doubt the truth about something AND at the same time have faith/belief in that same something.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Thomas the believer. Reply with quote

OK;
I don't doubt the substantive issues of our faith. But if you substitute 'question' for doubt, then, yes, I have questions.

And I thank God for those questions, because, in dealing with the issue, I have grown in faith and understanding. I firmly believe these doubts/questions are markers, bouys, signposts - use whatever metaphor you want, but they are opportunities to explore the dusty corners or darkened areas of our relationship with God and see that, far from being scary places, they become just another part of growing up to be a child of God.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberman wrote:
What I always wonder when it comes ot Thomas is 'where was he?'. When Jesus appeared the first time, he wasn't there. Now, they were all in hiding, in fear of their lives, so I don't imagine he nipped out to feed the ducks. It must have been something important. While the rest were hiding away he was out and about - maybe teaching, maybe helping, maybe just getting bread to feed the 'church' while they hid. In any case, he had the guts to be out doing stuff, presumably important stuff, while they didn't.


Or perhaps he was looking for another Job?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Many Jews named their children with the name, Yashuah, God with us, they looked to prophecy and hoped while at the same time acknowledging the comming of a messenger. Having the name did not then qualify a person but having God with them 'did'.

Bernard (hug)


The difference being of course, that Mary was the only mother who was instructed by YHWH to name her son Yeshua, because he would save His peoplefrom their sins, He was YHWH's only begotten son, he was unique. He was also the only one who was prophesied as The Mighty God, The everlasing Father The  Prince of Peace and  The Wonderful Councellor. Isaiah 9. (there is the Godhead, right there in scripture!)
Yeshua means YHWH saves, Immanuel means God with us.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never yet found a convincing argument refuting Thomas' declaration.
I have read various articles trying to twist and turn the statement, citing O.T texts by the bucketload.
But Thomas wasn't theologising. He hadn't time for a concise lesson in hermeneutics. He was simply stating what was in his heart and mind.
The fact that Jesus never refutted Thomas is, of course, equally telling. Had Thomas been wrong in his assumption, Jesus would have corrected him, as He had the other disciples in numerous occasions in all four gospels.
That Jesus let Thomas go shows that He knew Himself to be exactly who Thomas said.
"Lord and God."
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A prime example  of this Jim is what the WTBTS teach it's followers, that what Thomas said was merely an exclamation of surprise, "My Lord and My God !".
Which only goes to show that they have no idea of the Hebrew mindset, the believers would never have used the name of YHWH like that, they were so determined not to misuse His name that they never pronounced it, even today the devout Hebrew believers prefer to write it this way 'G-D' or they say 'The Name' or Lord (and as we know from the scriptures there is only one Lord)

At Exodus chapter 20:7 YHWH instructs the Israelites as follows....

"You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God (YHWH), for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses His name".


They were so determined not to break this command that the only people who were permitted to pronounce or write the tetragram were the high priests and then only in certain very special circumstances.

Messiah Yeshua taught us to call YHWH our Father, not by His personal name.

Messiah Yeshua was brought up in this faith, in fact according to the scriptures, He was the 'author and perfector' of it,  and so as you so rightly pointed out, He would neither have condoned the use of this terminology concerning Himself, nor would He have accepted Thomas' worship if He were not entitled to, because the commandments forbid it.(Exodus. 20:1-7)

So the WTBTS's argument does not hold up under proper scrutiny, which only goes to show the importance of us being as the Bereans were, who were commended because they searched the scriptures thoroughly to ascertain whether what they were taught was the truth. (The JW's  are positively discouraged from this by the WTBTS, however)

So the real question is, was The Messiah Yeshua who He indicated He was in both word and deed, or was He a dishonest charlatan.

I know what I believe, because Yeshua 'is the truth, the light and the life' and no sin was ever found in Him.

Amen?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes!
Sometimes we're guilty of over-emphasis, citing chapter and verse to verify our claims.
Thomas didn't have that luxury. He didn't have the Torah or Tanakht before him to quote chapter and vers.
All  he had was a heart full of sheer wonder, love and praise - and he opened it, letting his mouth do the worship!
That Jesus DIDN'T immediately rebuke, correct, theologise or in any way divert thomas from his act of love shows that Jesus was either a lying fraud - or YHWH, God Incarnate.
There can be no middle road in this instance.
No wriggle room is possible.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

 
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