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cymrudynnion
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:30 pm    Post subject: Muslim/Islamic weddings  Reply with quote

A question for my fellow posters. Now admittedly I would have put this on R&E where I know there are some Muslims posting but as I am banned thanks to a coniferous growth I can't.
So oh wise and wonderful Sages of ngl, can anyone tell me what the Rules are in Islam concerning weddings? I am particularly interested in the time of day when they can be "carried out" especially in countries where sharia is prevelant.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Muslim/Islamic weddings Reply with quote

cymrudynnion wrote:
A question for my fellow posters. Now admittedly I would have put this on R&E where I know there are some Muslims posting but as I am banned thanks to a coniferous growth I can't.
So oh wise and wonderful Sages of ngl, can anyone tell me what the Rules are in Islam concerning weddings? I am particularly interested in the time of day when they can be "carried out" especially in countries where sharia is prevelant.

D. Time of Marriage Ceremony

Though basically marriage is allowed at all times, there are some days on which marriage is not recommended; some of these are based on ahadith and some on cultural, historical reasons.

Generally, we can categorize these days into three: (a) There are some ahadith which say that it is makruh (not recommended) to have a marriage ceremony on the days when the moon is in the constellation of Scorpio (this is known as al-qamar fil aqrab or qamar dar aqrab), during the last two or three days of the lunar months, and on Wednesdays. (b) There are certain days of the Islamic calendar which have become associated with the early events of the Islamic history; for example, the 10th of Muharram is the day of mourning for the massacre at Karbala or the day of the Prophet's death in Safar, etc. Since such days are commemorated by the Muslims as days of mourning, it is socially and, to some extent, religiously not recommended to have a marriage ceremony on such days.3

The Shia Ithna Ashari (Twelver Shias), especially in India and Pakistan, rarely perform marriage ceremony between the 1st of Muharram and the 8th of Rabi al-Awwal as this period includes the mourning days of Muharram culminating in the martyrdom of Imam Askari (a.s.). The 9th Rabi al-Awwal is celebrated as Eid-e-Zahra.

If there is a need, however, Nikah, can be performed at any time.

http://www.al-islam.org/marriage-handbook/6.htm
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the detailed reply Leonard its appreciated.
I actually want the time of day rather than Holy Days when it is not permitted. I have it on the grapevine that there is an atempt by the Government of G.B. to alter the Marriage Act 1947 the clause stating time of day. As I understand the Act a man and woman can only marry between the hours of 9.00am and 6.00pm or Natural Light hours. It would appwear this is being tagged onto another Act to get it removed and I am wondering if it is to satisfy our Islamic friends.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cymrudynnion wrote:
As I understand the Act a man and woman can only marry between the hours of 9.00am and 6.00pm


This is true.  But remember, this is only to fulfil English Law when it comes to a marriage contract.  As far as I'm aware this is purely a compulsory 'dotting of 'i's and crossing of 't's for people of faith who want their union recognised by British authorities.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cymrudynnion wrote:
Thanks for the detailed reply Leonard its appreciated.
I actually want the time of day rather than Holy Days when it is not permitted. I have it on the grapevine that there is an atempt by the Government of G.B. to alter the Marriage Act 1947 the clause stating time of day. As I understand the Act a man and woman can only marry between the hours of 9.00am and 6.00pm or Natural Light hours. It would appwear this is being tagged onto another Act to get it removed and I am wondering if it is to satisfy our Islamic friends.

Hi Cym,

I consider it quite daft to try to restrict the marriage ceremony to certain hours. If all participants are willing to take part, including the officiator, and nobody is prejudiced by it, why should anybody stop them?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is there for both canonical and English Law.
Firstly to ensure both parties getting married recognise each other and secondly to ensure the Priest can be sure it isn't a same sex marriage.
A few years ago my eldest son got married, hat the time he and his fiancee had an 18 month old son who acted as Page Boy. There were several times during the service that my grandson started running around making a noise and interupet the service. Each time (three of them) the vicar stopped the service to allow my grandson to be quietened so that my son and daughter in law could cthen concentrate on what they were doing.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cymrudynnion wrote:
It is there for both canonical and English Law.


People of other faiths, and you were asking specifically about Islam, don't recognise, nor come under Canonical Law: but in order to have their union recognised in this country then they must abide by English Law, and therefore are forced to go through the system in order to get the Certificate.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cymrudynnion wrote:
It is there for both canonical and English Law..

The fact that such a law exists is no indication that it is a sensible law.  Laws are made for the guidance of wise men, and the strict obedience of fools.
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Firstly to ensure both parties getting married recognise each other and secondly to ensure the Priest can be sure it isn't a same sex marriage.

You will note that I said "If all participants are willing to take part, including the officiator, and nobody is prejudiced by it"
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cymrudynnion wrote:
I am wondering if it is to satisfy our Islamic friends.


Well it seems it is not for that reason at all. No-one has come up with anything in Islam which says they have to get married in the dark or anything like that. Seems you had come up with a bit of wild guesswork, and then hoped you might have something to get annoyed about.

Were you trying to stir up one of these "it's all because of the Muslims" rumours?

Do you have some reason for wishing people not to get married in the evening?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberman wrote:
cymrudynnion wrote:
I am wondering if it is to satisfy our Islamic friends.


Well it seems it is not for that reason at all. No-one has come up with anything in Islam which says they have to get married in the dark or anything like that. Seems you had come up with a bit of wild guesswork, and then hoped you might have something to get annoyed about.

Were you trying to stir up one of these "it's all because of the Muslims" rumours?

Do you have some reason for wishing people not to get married in the evening?
I had no idea about the restriction on time and daylight hours until a few weeks ago. I don't comment on the doctrine of Islam as I don't understand it. The only area I object to is clothing and the use of Burquas etc. If the items are worn for religious requirements then let them be worn in the Place of Worship and not on the street unless by prior arrangement. I do not wear my chior robes in public unless requested to at the Rememnbrance Sunday service for example. If on the other hand Islamic garb is worn because it is suitable in equatorial countries then discard it in Britain as the climate is totally different.

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