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The Littlest Homo
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:22 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Love is... wrote:
You have no evidence and no proof. It is in all essence what you chose to believe.


The same can be said, more aptly, for believers of any of the cults!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love is... wrote:
The truth is Silver you only know what others have told you and what you have read from books. You have no evidence and no proof. It is in all essence what you chose to believe.
Isn't that the same everywhere today?

Love is... Smilie_PDT


Shame on me for reading books when I could be having delusions instead. Doh!

Evidence? The real world in so many ways says god does not exist. The bible is nonsense from the first page to the last so not evidence. Not remotely accurate, full of contradictions, mistakes and impossibilities. Aesop's Fables is more believable.

As to love, god would need a dictionary to find out what the word means.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It tells us that the biblical account of Josiah's death in battle was probably a fiction.


Probably???????????????????

Obama is probably going to win the election.

G Brown is probably going to survive till the election.

Certainity is not always the same.



Probably as you have shown is based on evidence and educated guesses. We cannot know what happened to King Josiah with absolute certainty but archaeologists can make educated guesses, based on what they know, and they believe he was murdered.


If anyone here has the slightest interest in bible history, how accurate it really is, The Bible Unearthed is a brilliant book and costs very little.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From a brief trawl through the internet it seems that Finkleman's findings are not universally agreed upon, his educated guesses are different to other scholars educated guesses - but guess what they are both guesses!

Its not their fault - we are talking about things that happened 2000-4000 years ago amongst a generally nomadic set of people and unless you speculate about what happened then there is little point in doing the digging in the first place.

I'm not a total bible literalist by the way...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talmudic/Torah Scholars cannot agree on their subject. They just make guesses

Christian Scholars cannot agree on their subject. They just make guesses

The best we can do is absorb the information available and come to a conclusion that we are comfortable with...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lucifers Duck wrote:
Talmudic/Torah Scholars cannot agree on their subject. They just make guesses

Christian Scholars cannot agree on their subject. They just make guesses
Depends on the subject but I would say informed guesses based on their worldview and interpretation.

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The best we can do is absorb the information available and come to a conclusion that we are comfortable with...
Well I would agree with that
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bible a Biography by Karen Armstrong is good. I have the audio version and listened straight through earlier this year. I intend to listen again more slowly and try to take more in.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SusanDoris wrote:
The Bible a Biography by Karen Armstrong is good. I have the audio version and listened straight through earlier this year. I intend to listen again more slowly and try to take more in.


I agree. I read the book this year. It's quite fascinating. Some of her assertions about the development of the Torah were interesting, and would be very threatening to literalists.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

david_geoffrey wrote:
From a brief trawl through the internet it seems that Finkleman's findings are not universally agreed upon, his educated guesses are different to other scholars educated guesses - but guess what they are both guesses!


Finklestein and Silberman tell you what the evidence is and then give their conclusions on it.

It is difficult to pin down exactly what happened from around 1300 BC to 600 BC as there is little evidence, though lack of evidence can be just as good at times but I think they have done a good job on it. Of course, there will always be people who disagree but their evidence, if any, should be judged and is not automatically right. Some are paid by Jewish and christian universities and groups for their work and there is always a suspicion that they are not being as neutral as they should be.

As to internet sites, there are apologist sites who will automatically say any book that contradicts the bible is wrong, and give laughable reasons for it that are wrong to anyone who has read the book
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SusanDoris wrote:
The Bible a Biography by Karen Armstrong is good. I have the audio version and listened straight through earlier this year. I intend to listen again more slowly and try to take more in.


Can you tell me something about the book?


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