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What really pisses me off about athiests
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cyberman
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:55 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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I suppose not, after all, it's just a collection of STORIES, right? None are real?


Well, in my analogy, some are "real" (as you put it) and some are not. You have completely failed to addres my point, which is that there is no rational basis for your theory that it is impossible for anything true to appear in the bible.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boss Cat wrote:
Er, that sounds as though you DO mean it's all or nothing - 'just a collection of STORIES, right? None are real?'.  That sounds as if you are saying 'nothing'.

I think the Bible is a collection compiled over centuries telling the developing understanding of humanity's relationship with God, from the god of a tribe on a mountain to the God of all the people in our lives.

Some myth, some allegory, a lot of rules that gave meaning perhaps to people whose lives were hard, some history...I think an all or nothing mindset is a bit limiting.

Do you take Shakespeare's Henry V as literal fact?  Or is it JUST a story with no relationship with what really happened, and therefore with no value (apart from some nice lines)?


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One question, is your bible relevant in the 21st century?


To some people yes, to others no.

Any chance of you answering my question about whethe rit would make sense to say to that hypothetical historian "You can only believe that if you also believe the Hare and the Tortoise is a true story"? Can you answer that or not? Do you still maintain that it is impossible that any true fact is, even accidentally, included in the Bible?
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you're saying the bible is a mixture of fact and fiction? For me, it's all fiction, then again, I've never read it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no..


Seriously - you cannot make a judgement about a book, or a film, or a TV show you haven't read, seen, or seen!!

If you make a judgement on it because of what you have heard, then you ain't making a personal judgement on it based on something you might have knowledge about.. regardless on whether it is true or not...

If you is gonna critic something, at least watch it, or read it and don't be a sheep/Goat!!
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Farmer Geddon wrote:
no..


Seriously - you cannot make a judgement about a book, or a film, or a TV show you haven't read, seen, or seen!!

If you make a judgement on it because of what you have heard, then you ain't making a personal judgement on it based on something you might have knowledge about.. regardless on whether it is true or not...

If you is gonna critic something, at least watch it, or read it and don't be a sheep/Goat!!


Does that apply to Jeffrey Archer novels - cos if so, I'm guilty m'lud.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

northernstar wrote:
So you're saying the bible is a mixture of fact and fiction? For me, it's all fiction, then again, I've never read it.


Are you able to answer my question or not?
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I don't think you have to actually read or experience something to have a view on it, although of course you gain insights from experience.

I've never read the Origin of the Species (or whatever it's full title is) but I believe it's the best account of the development of life that we have so far. That's only because people who do know what they are talking about say so with good authority.

I think if you insist on putting forward strong opinions about anything you haven't read or experienced should exercise judgement over the authorities you can cite, and evidence your opinion.  

Saying 'I've never read the Bible but it's all stories so it's rubbish' isn't exactly the most learned of positions, is it?

I've never read the whole Bible either and the bits I am familiar with gain richer and fuller meaning for me the more I revisit them.  Even if I don't take it all as literal truth.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberman wrote:
northernstar wrote:
So you're saying the bible is a mixture of fact and fiction? For me, it's all fiction, then again, I've never read it.


Are you able to answer my question or not?


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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny, I'd never thought of northernstar as ***Edited by Lexi*** before, but you live and learn

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