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Atheists are good if they do good, says Pope
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 12:09 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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Did you ever express the view that a Pope ought to say that it is OK to use condoms?

I thought he'd already said as much? Though admittedly, the issue seems lamentably unclear.

And, if I recall correctly, it has been hinted by that the use of condoms may be permissible in certain circumstances if the intention is to prevent the transmission of HIV/AIDS, not if the intention is to prevent conception.
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaker wrote:
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Did you ever express the view that a Pope ought to say that it is OK to use condoms?

I thought he'd already said as much? Though admittedly, the issue seems lamentably unclear.

And, if I recall correctly, it has been hinted by that the use of condoms may be permissible in certain circumstances if the intention is to prevent the transmission of HIV/AIDS, not if the intention is to prevent conception.


But what difference would it make if the Pope said such a thing?
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberman wrote:
Actually, to say "gays are good people too" is not at all controversial nor is it in conflict with church teaching.

You don't see a conflict between saying that 'gays are good people too' when the Church's teaching is that the very thing which makes people gay people specifically is

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objectively disordered, gravely depraved, self-indulgent and an intrinsic moral evil which under no circumstances can be approved


? Because I can't quite summon up the level of doublethink needed to be able to hold 'gays are good people too' and 'gays are objectively disordered, gravely depraved, self-indulgent and subject to an intrinsic moral evil' in my head at the same time and not see them as in direct conflict.

Some people can and do, of course, believe six impossible things before breakfast.
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaker wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Actually, to say "gays are good people too" is not at all controversial nor is it in conflict with church teaching.

You don't see a conflict between saying that 'gays are good people too' when the Church's teaching is that the very thing which makes people gay people specifically is

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objectively disordered, gravely depraved, self-indulgent and an intrinsic moral evil which under no circumstances can be approved


? Because I can't quite summon up the level of doublethink needed to be able to hold 'gays are good people too' and 'gays are objectively disordered, gravely depraved, self-indulgent and subject to an intrinsic moral evil' in my head at the same time and not see them as in direct conflict.

Some people can and do, of course, believe six impossible things before breakfast.


Your quote ("objectively dosordered, etc...") doesn't start at the beginning of a sentence, does it?

Why is that?

Does is say that gay people are objectively disordered?
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Your quote ("objectively dosordered, etc...") doesn't start at the beginning of a sentence, does it?

Why is that?

Does is say that gay people are objectively disordered?

That is the opinion of the Catholic Church on homosexuality. Which, presumably, you already knew.
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaker wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Your quote ("objectively dosordered, etc...") doesn't start at the beginning of a sentence, does it?

Why is that?

Does is say that gay people are objectively disordered?

That is the opinion of the Catholic Church on homosexuality. Which, presumably, you already knew.


Yes. Is it the opinion of the Catholic church on gay people? Why did your quote start mid-sentence?
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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hold the front page. Apparently homosexuals & atheists won't be going to heaven after all.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news...ion-for-nonbelievers-8635121.html
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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

genghiscant wrote:
Hold the front page. Apparently homosexuals & atheists won't be going to heaven after all.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news...ion-for-nonbelievers-8635121.html


I reckon Pope Francis can take Fr Thomas Wossname in a fight, though.

It has always been the case, as you know, that some Christians think that atheists will go to hell and some don't. Pope John Paul II said something about hell possibly being empty, for example. You usually find that the evangelical, fundamentalist wing of Christianity tend to believe that more people will be damned that we believe at the Catholic end of the spectrum, but those ideas do exist in the RC church too, sadly. Fr Thomas is free to believe it if he wishes, of course. It comes as a surprise to some, but as Catholics we are allowed to disagree with the Pope.
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, dear, so I won't be ascending to heaven after all, then again, as it doesn't exist and neither does hell, nothing to fret about!
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

northernstar wrote:
 it doesn't exist and neither does hell,


Passing off your guesses as facts again? A very bad habit some atheists have!

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