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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:28 pm    Post subject: Utilitarian Wages  Reply with quote

So Wayne Rooney now earns £43,000 a day. More than I earn in a year.

Someone suggested that it was because of the happiness he brought. Which is a utilitarian argument. But is that the case? If we really paid wages based on who brought the most happiness - who would earn the most?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't bring any happiness to me.

It's (and you don't hear me use this word often) immoral.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the man just above me said. All of it. Utilitarian doesn't cover it because that philosophical school is predicated on the greatest happiness of the greatest number, and that doesn't apply - Rooney undoubtedly does bring enjoyment to a very considerable number of people indeed, but they'll surely be in the minority when you look at British society as a whole.

The justification that I've seen in the past, or which has been tried to be used, is that top-flight footballers are paid so much because they have such a short career: Rooney is 28 and his professional career is likely to be over within a handful of years, after which he'll have to go and do something else because he'll be too old to compete at his former levels.

Sounds like crap to me. It's still an obscenity. I do not know, but would be delighted to listen to and take on board, how anybody could advance a case in justification of this grotesquery.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep.
In a land where increasing numbers of people depend on food banks, that this chap, no matter how good he is at kicking a ball around a bit of grass, should recieve that amount of cash for it, IS immoral - as is the fact that he accepted the deal.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish there were somebody on the forum who thinks it's acceptable and tries to justify it - I think there's going to be near unanimity on this one.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a wierd ole game an I'm sure someone can explain it better in intelectural terms but it seems to boil down to advertiseing and the developement of a product,
The team generate advertiseing due to good performance, prestige generates another upmanship card among business peers generating assossiation, so that somewhere miles away from W Rooney someone is earning far more than £300,000 a week.

It has to show a profit somewhere along the line, and loss in some circles can equal a profit in another circle,

Along the line all sorts of momentems get gathered by that rolling stone of commerce,....innit  

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So who SHOULD get paid silly money? Which jobs make the most people happy?

Actors?
Comedians?
Sports personalities?
Psychologists?
Healthcare workers?

(you notice I am not going to propose politicians....)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This afternoon, fifteen hundred fans stood in the driving rain to watch two Junior Football teams play a league game in my town.
Junior football is only a step above the amateur game. Players are paid transport costs and, if they're lucky, as much as £100 a week (most get less). The passion and dedication they show week in, week out, may not rival the Skills of these professional prima donnas, but the games are always worth watching.
BTW, my team - my local team - happens to hold the record for winning the Scottish Junior Cup more times than any other team.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if I had to give it to anyone famous I'd give it to the cast of Mrs Browns Boys (I know it's old fashioned - sheesh, everyone's a critic) but it just makes me laugh.

The one where she takes drugs and starts hallucinating has me reaching for my inhaler.

More joy in a minute of that programme than there is in the entire output of the premier league (imo).
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lexilogio wrote:
So who SHOULD get paid silly money? Which jobs make the most people happy?

Actors?
Comedians?
Sports personalities?
Psychologists?
Healthcare workers?

(you notice I am not going to propose politicians....)



Footballers and entertainers should not be paid so much that ordinary people cannot afford to go and see them.

All those who look after us and protect us should be paid more, and I include in that toilet cleaners, cleaners generally, refuse collectors, the police, fire fighters, medics, paramedics/ambulance:

Those who have had to study hard, sacrificing some of their own lives in order to be able to look after us should be paid a little more still - doctors, dentists, etc.

Who deserves silly money?  Nobody!  Certainly not bankers and the like.


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