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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:00 am    Post subject: How did they know  Reply with quote

Heres a start.

How did they know that Jesus met up with Moses and Elijah, they had no experience of seeing moses and elijah,
How easy is it to pick an inndividual out even when you know them when people dress much the same, and are bearded?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:13 am    Post subject: Re: How did they know Reply with quote

bnabernard wrote:
Heres a start.

How did they know that Jesus met up with Moses and Elijah, they had no experience of seeing moses and elijah,
How easy is it to pick an inndividual out even when you know them when people dress much the same, and are bearded?

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How do you know they had beards?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So there we are, two questions, so another question is then, is there an answer or just more questions?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:18 am    Post subject: Re: How did they know Reply with quote

Hello Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
Heres a start.

How did they know that Jesus met up with Moses and Elijah, they had no experience of seeing moses and elijah,
How easy is it to pick an inndividual out even when you know them when people dress much the same, and are bearded?

bernard (hug)


Lets start with the scriptures first Bernie

Matthew 17
Six days later, Yeshua took Kefa, Ya‘akov and his brother Yochanan and led them up a high mountain privately. 2 As they watched, he began to change form — his face shone like the sun, and his clothing became as white as light. 3 Then they looked and saw Moshe and Eliyahu speaking with him. 4 Kefa said to Yeshua, “It’s good that we’re here, Lord. I’ll put up three shelters if you want — one for you, one for Moshe and one for Eliyahu.” 5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them; and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love, with whom I am well pleased. Listen to him!” 6 When the talmidim heard this, they were so frightened that they fell face down on the ground. 7 But Yeshua came and touched them. “Get up!” he said, “Don’t be afraid.” 8 So they opened their eyes, looked up and saw only Yeshua by himself.
9 As they came down the mountain, Yeshua ordered them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.” 10 The talmidim asked him, “Then why do the Torah-teachers say that Eliyahu must come first?” 11 He answered, “On the one hand, Eliyahu is coming and will restore all things; 12 on the other hand, I tell you that Eliyahu has come already, and people did not recognize him but did whatever they pleased to him. In the same way, the Son of Man too is about to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the talmidim understood that he was talking to them about Yochanan the Immerser.


Mark 9
9Yes!” he went on, “I tell you that there are some people standing here who will not experience death until they see the Kingdom of God come in a powerful way!”
2 Six days later, Yeshua took Kefa, Ya‘akov and Yochanan and led them up a high mountain privately. As they watched, he began to change form, 3 and his clothes became dazzlingly white, whiter than anyone in the world could possibly bleach them. 4 Then they saw Eliyahu and Moshe speaking with Yeshua. 5 Kefa said to Yeshua, “It’s good that we’re here, Rabbi! Let’s put up three shelters — one for you, one for Moshe and one for Eliyahu.” 6 (He didn’t know what to say, they were so frightened.) 7 Then a cloud enveloped them; and a voice came out of the cloud, “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!” 8 Suddenly, when they looked around, they no longer saw anyone with them except Yeshua.
9 As they came down the mountain, he warned them not to tell anyone what they had seen until after the Son of Man had risen from the dead. 10 So they kept the matter to themselves; but they continued asking each other, “What is this ‘rising from the dead’?” 11 They also asked him, “Why do the Torah-teachers say that Eliyahu has to come first?” 12 “Eliyahu will indeed come first,” he answered, “and he will restore everything. Nevertheless, why is it written in the Tanakh that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected? 13 There’s more to it: I tell you that Eliyahu has come, and they did whatever they pleased to him, just as the Tanakh says about him.”


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Luke 9
27 I tell you the truth, there are some people standing here who will not experience death until they see the Kingdom of God.”
28 About a week after Yeshua said these things, he took Kefa, Yochanan and Ya‘akov with him and went up to the hill country to pray. 29 As he was praying, the appearance of his face changed; and his clothing became gleaming white. 30 Suddenly there were two men talking with him — Moshe and Eliyahu! 31 They appeared in glorious splendor and spoke of his exodus, which he was soon to accomplish in Yerushalayim. 32 Kefa and those with him had been sound asleep; but on becoming fully awake, they saw his glory and the two men standing with him. 33 As the men were leaving Yeshua, Kefa said to him, not knowing what he was saying, “It’s good that we’re here, Rabbi! Let’s put up three shelters — one for you, one for Moshe and one for Eliyahu.” 34 As he spoke, a cloud came and enveloped them. They were frightened as they entered the cloud; 35 and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen. Listen to him!” 36 When the voice spoke, Yeshua was alone once more. They kept quiet — at that time they told no one anything of what they had seen.


Now Bernie, would Y'shua have called Moses and Elijah by name, since Peter James and John heard Y'shua speaking with them ?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bnabernard wrote:
So there we are, two questions, so another question is then, is there an answer or just more questions?

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You're the one who asserted that they had beards, Bernie.
I was only wondering how you knew this.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and a voice came out of the cloud, “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!”

Well LC are we then making presumptions because it does not say that Jeshuah addressed them by name. Nor does it say they were bearded, so presumptions to questions leads to more questions.

However, we do have evidence that Jeshuah was not God because His voice came out of the clouds, or is that another presumption, who's voice was it? more especialy whos voice was it if, as you say, Jeshuah was God the Father,

'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.


What do we have here and who is missing alonside Moses?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
and a voice came out of the cloud, “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!”

Well LC are we then making presumptions because it does not say that Jeshuah addressed them by name. Nor does it say they were bearded, so presumptions to questions leads to more questions.

However, we do have evidence that Jeshuah was not God because His voice came out of the clouds, or is that another presumption, who's voice was it? more especialy whos voice was it if, as you say, Jeshuah was God the Father,

'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.


What do we have here and who is missing alonside Moses?

bernard (hug)


Its not what I say Bernie that matters but what the scriptures say.

Now lets examine the Aramaic to rule out what you perceive as Greek influence

John 1 Aramaic Plain English
1In the origin The Word had been existing and That Word had been existing with God and That Word was himself God.

ܒܪܫܝܬ ܐܝܬܘܗܝ ܗܘܐ ܡܠܬܐ ܘܗܘ ܡܠܬܐ ܐܝܬܘܗܝ ܗܘܐ ܠܘܬ ܐܠܗܐ ܘܐܠܗܐ ܐܝܬܘܗܝ ܗܘܐ ܗܘ ܡܠܬ

http://biblehub.com/aramaic-english-gospels/john/1.htm

Do you believe the above scripture, yes or no ?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

]and a voice came out of the cloud, “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!”

Well LC are we then making presumptions because it does not say that Jeshuah addressed them by name. Nor does it say they were bearded, so presumptions to questions leads to more questions.

However, we do have evidence that Jeshuah was not God because His voice came out of the clouds, or is that another presumption, who's voice was it? more especialy whos voice was it if, as you say, Jeshuah was God the Father,

'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.


What do we have here and who is missing alonside Moses?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Bernie

bnabernard wrote:
and a voice came out of the cloud, “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!”

Well LC are we then making presumptions because it does not say that Jeshuah addressed them by name. Nor does it say they were bearded, so presumptions to questions leads to more questions.

However, we do have evidence that Jeshuah was not God because His voice came out of the clouds, or is that another presumption, who's voice was it? more especialy whos voice was it if, as you say, Jeshuah was God the Father,

'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.


What do we have here and who is missing alonside Moses?

bernard (hug)


Its not what I say Bernie that matters but what the scriptures say.

Now lets examine the Aramaic to rule out what you perceive as Greek influence

John 1 Aramaic Plain English
1In the origin The Word had been existing and That Word had been existing with God and That Word was himself God.

ܒܪܫܝܬ ܐܝܬܘܗܝ ܗܘܐ ܡܠܬܐ ܘܗܘ ܡܠܬܐ ܐܝܬܘܗܝ ܗܘܐ ܠܘܬ ܐܠܗܐ ܘܐܠܗܐ ܐܝܬܘܗܝ ܗܘܐ ܗܘ ܡܠܬ

http://biblehub.com/aramaic-english-gospels/john/1.htm

Do you believe the above scripture, yes or no ?

Answer this question Bernie then we might start to make progress.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do 'I' believe scripture  

a voice came out of the cloud, “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!”


'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.


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