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cyberman
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: That's Christianity for you  Reply with quote

Shaker wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Shaker wrote:
Science is a methodology and, in popular understanding anyway, a body of disparate facts about the world. You can't get a 'teaching' out of it.


Then how does the poster in your picture say that there are things which are the case "according to science" (and subjective things, too; not hard provable facts)?

At least some of those things on the list are not wholly subjective. There are standard metrics for assessing intelligence (things like the Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scales, etc.) and a great many anthropologists believe that there are objective criteria for assessing female pulchritude relating to the proportions between various facial and bodily features.


Are you serioursly seeking to defend the proposition that "According to science I am beautiful" and "According to science I am full of wonder" are experimentally verifiable scientific findings?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:07 pm    Post subject: Re: That's Christianity for you Reply with quote

cyberman wrote:
Are you serioursly seeking to defend the proposition that "According to science I am beautiful" and "According to science I am full of wonder" are experimentally verifiable scientific findings?

No. I doubt if the person who made the poster thingy and presumably took the photo was, either. Maybe he was aware, as I am, that those things are possible, however, and can be done and it was in light of that that I was replied to your question. Take it or leave it.

Serioursly.

Look, you can either do the unthinkable and accept that Christianity from the ground up has always had a fundamentally ugly, poisonous, warped, obnoxious view of the human mammal and that creature's natural drives, inclinations and motivations which has caused untold and entirely needless misery, grief, guilt, shame and perversion for millennia for absolutely no reason whatsoever, which is essentially what the picture points up, or not. The latter is vastly more likely because that would entail being critical of the abhorrent ideology to which you've somehow attached yourself and we both know that that isn't going to happen.

Every time I've said that such-and-such a mentality can be fostered by political beliefs and/or philosophical beliefs and/or religious beliefs, you completely ignore the politics and the philosophy and zero in on the religious aspect - at least twice in the last couple of weeks or so this has happened -, because seemingly that's the only one that presses the big red button, like Professor Pavlov dinging his bell before feeding the dogs such that eventually just ringing the bell without giving them food causes them to salivate at the mere prospect. Get a bloody grip, man.


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