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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:00 am    Post subject: Evolution is a fact...  Reply with quote

... not a "theory".

We all know the old creationist adage which claims evolution is simply just another “theory,” disqualifying it from being reliable as factual evidence.

Probably the most frustrating aspect of this argument is that it reveals the creationist’s lack of understanding of what the word “theory” means when applied to science – or most things in the real world for that matter.

It’s that misunderstanding that reveals itself in the video below when a student questions her professor, asking, “Why should we base the validity of all of our life’s beliefs on a theory?”

Needless to say, he was ready with an answer. Think he got through to her?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which leaves us with the question, is god evolving a step ahead.
It's not hard to fathom, Dan Dare, the mobile phone, oh how I remember creating the first computor room in cornhill, just up from the bank of england, a whole room with humidistats and air purifiers just to have less than what I got on my lap, teminater and now the 3d printer, where will they go.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Evolution is a fact... Reply with quote

Farmer Geddon wrote:
... not a "theory".


If we're going to be super-accurate we'd have to say: actually, it's both - evolution happens, it's an observable fact, but it's also a theory because that part, the theory side of things, refers to the conceptual framework of explanations for the observed facts.

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Probably the most frustrating aspect of this argument is that it reveals the creationist’s lack of understanding of what the word “theory” means when applied to science – or most things in the real world for that matter.


True enough. As anybody who has ever tried to discuss evolution with creationists will tell you, if I had a pound for every time I've heard somebody demonstrate their complete ignorance of what the word means in a scientific context, I'd be writing this in my beach-house on a Caribbean island while being served pink drinks with little umbrellas in by Aria Giovanni in a bikini.

There are a few tiny pockets of unusually exotic animals living wild in Britain, non-native species - wallabies spring to mind. (I'm told that there's a population of raccoons somewhere in Leicestershire). We know that in at least some cases some of these wild animals have come to be wild because they were initially kept as domestic pets, especially in the 1960s and 1970s when there was a vogue for such things, which either escaped or were deliberately dumped. This could explain why there have been (numerous but so far unconfirmed and uncorroborated) reports of large wild cats roaming free in various parts of Britain.

I mention this only because it's a useful analogy for the way in which - unfortunately - scientific terms also sometimes break out of their enclosures and get into the world at large. When this happens it almost always ends in the meaning of the word being bastardised and coming to mean something very different, sometimes diametrically opposed, to its strict scientific meaning. It happened with schizophrenia, it happened with what used to be called manic depression and it's definitely happened with theory. I suppose the root cause is that while scientists are used to using terms with a very high degree of conceptual rigour and technical precision and accuracy, the general public are not: so you end up with a situation where, for example, schizophrenic in the popular usage comes to mean having a split personality. It doesn't mean anything of the kind. Manic depression doesn't mean 'unusually severe or intense depression' and theory doesn't mean 'hunch.'

Even the first three paragraphs of something as easy to find as Wikipedia say this:

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A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method, and repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation. As with most (if not all) forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and aim for predictive power and explanatory force.

The strength of a scientific theory is related to the diversity of phenomena it can explain, and to its elegance and simplicity (Occam's razor). As additional scientific evidence is gathered, a scientific theory may be rejected or modified if it does not fit the new empirical findings- in such circumstances, a more accurate theory is then desired. In certain cases, the less-accurate unmodified scientific theory can still be treated as a theory if it is useful (due to its sheer simplicity) as an approximation under specific conditions (e.g. Newton's laws of motion as an approximation to special relativity at velocities which are small relative to the speed of light).

Scientific theories are testable and make falsifiable predictions. They describe the causal elements responsible for a particular natural phenomenon, and are used to explain and predict aspects of the physical universe or specific areas of inquiry (e.g. electricity, chemistry, astronomy). Scientists use theories as a foundation to gain further scientific knowledge, as well as to accomplish goals such as inventing technology or curing disease. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge. This is significantly different from the common usage of the word "theory", which implies that something is a guess (i.e., unsubstantiated and speculative).


Now, I suppose you could argue that if you're not tremendously well up on philosophy you might not know beforehand what inductive reasoning or Occam's Razor are, but you could look those up - they're essentially very simple concepts in their own right. Perhaps it's just me but I don't think there's anything in that quote which presents insuperable obstacles, surely.

Good video - I hadn't seen that one before.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too funny Shaker. Like you would move to my side of the pond and move closer to the equator. If you can't stand the warmth of the sun in summer on your Island forget about enjoying yourself in  our winter playground. What would you do man, hide inside 24/7 sitting in front of an air conditioner?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



Which thread are you replying to here? We were discussing evolution  
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt you got though to her....
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I traced evolution all the way back to 'potential'  

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No realy I traced it back to nothing, it was always there is always there and will always be there, nothing the non thing that is everything.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing y'all are missing is the zombiefied way she asked the questions..  its almost as if she doesn't have a fuckin' clue about what she is talking about.. she is the sad puppet of Christ..
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way..  did you actually watch the video Steve/'shaker'

Is what he claimed wrong?

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