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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:29 pm    Post subject: Veneration of symbols  Reply with quote

Why can we not find the word for cross as a means of execution in the original language?

What happened to the pictorial illustration of the serpent hung on a pole in the Israelite camp that represented Jesus sacrifice,

which they had to look at so as not to die, if they had been bitten by a serpent in the desert?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Veneration of symbols Reply with quote

JamesJah wrote:
Why can we not find the word for cross as a means of execution in the original language?


Because the Greeks did not practice crucifixion, so when they wrote about it they just used the word for a stake, stauros, which indicated that upright pole. There is abundant source evidence that the Romans practiced crucifixion. In Latin, they did have a word for the cross.

JamesJah wrote:
What happened to the pictorial illustration of the serpent hung on a pole in the Israelite camp that represented Jesus sacrifice,

which they had to look at so as not to die, if they had been bitten by a serpent in the desert?


I think one of the Kings broke it up, didn't he?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is James trying to make some oblique reference to yesterday's Feast of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_of_the_Cross

Is this something that his leaders have told him to introduce to conversation at this time?

I do wish that he'd be more direct when introducing topics for discussion.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Boyg wrote:
Is James trying to make some oblique reference to yesterday's Feast of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_of_the_Cross

Is this something that his leaders have told him to introduce to conversation at this time?

I do wish that he'd be more direct when introducing topics for discussion.


I really wish that too. Yes, I think he is referring to yesterday's feast day, which had the reading from Numbers about the snake on the pole.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberman wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
Is James trying to make some oblique reference to yesterday's Feast of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feast_of_the_Cross

Is this something that his leaders have told him to introduce to conversation at this time?

I do wish that he'd be more direct when introducing topics for discussion.


I really wish that too. Yes, I think he is referring to yesterday's feast day, which had the reading from Numbers about the snake on the pole.

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Nah =- the Russellites don't believe Christ was crucified on a cross...despite having written about it and accepted it for the first seventy years of their cult's existence.
Maybe he's trying to justify the miserable mistranslation they call scriptures?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did the Jew start to venerate the pole with the serpent on as a magical object or not?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JamesJah wrote:
Did the Jew start to venerate the pole with the serpent on as a magical object or not?


Which Jew?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Did the Jew start to venerate the pole with the serpent on as a magical object or not?

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Is this another "I'm-not-listening" post?
Why don't you answer the points raised before trying to make new ones...points such as your group being perfectly happy with the Cross for its' first seventy odd years?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which pope invented the worship of the cross?

Whose blood saves lives?

2 Kings 18:3, 4
He kept doing what was right in Jehovah’s eyes, just as David his forefather had done.
He was the one who removed the high places, smashed the sacred pillars, and cut down the sacred pole.

He also crushed the copper serpent that Moses had made; for down to that time the people of Israel had been making sacrificial smoke to it and it used to be called the copper serpent-idol.
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Which pope invented the worship of the cross?

Whose blood saves lives?

2 Kings 18:3, 4
He kept doing what was right in Jehovah’s eyes, just as David his forefather had done.
He was the one who removed the high places, smashed the sacred pillars, and cut down the sacred pole.

He also crushed the copper serpent that Moses had made; for down to that time the people of Israel had been making sacrificial smoke to it and it used to be called the copper serpent-idol.


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