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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:38 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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Oh stop the drama


Hmmm...you don't really get sarcasm, do you?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasn't aware of the Dawkins thing about Harry Potter - but when you look back at the reports from 2008 (!) it appears he was questioning the effect that stories like Harry Potter (but not specifically HP) might have on rational thought processes in the young.

So not really the same concerns that the American lady has.

As such your dragging Dawkins into this thread was just a wee bit of a straw man - but no matter, they look lovely when they go up in flames at pagan festivals (and on Internet forums)  





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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If somebody wants to write something for children and get rid of all that occult one finds in Harry Potter books, I say good for them. And shame on any so called Christian that encourages children to read books full of the occult. So about Dicky Dawkins latest crusade Jim, the one AGAINST your blessed Harry Potter? Too funny!

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Tell me, pray, what exactly is harmful about the world of Harry Potter?
Or are you in favour of the Levitican injunction?
You know, we used to have an old biddy this side of the pond - Mary Whitehouse by name...shw seemed to share your opinion.
She condemned the Doctor Who of the 1960s and 70's as 'Satanic.'
She even condemned one of the iconic comics of the era - 'the Eagle' as 'seditious antitheism' - even though the chap who created it was an evangelical Christian.
I'm sorry, but force feeding a child only stuff 'approved' by the 'right people' is no way to educate or develop the mind.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trent you are a hoot! So first let us say that Harry Potter is not a real person. Good, that's settled. So what you are saying is that an atheists can attack Harry Potter stories because of the influence they might have on children but a Christian woman cannot stand against Harry Potter stories because the influence they might have on her children? You make a lot of sense trent. (smilie)
That godless atheist is worried about the unscientific aspect of these books and their influence on the young. The Christian lady is concerned about these books because of their occult content.
To Jim and dear trent, why is one objection ok and not the other? Or why can't a parent do their job and filter what their child is exposed to. My parents for example, filtered what i was allowed to watch on television when I was a child. Planet of the Apes was a no, no until I was in jr high school.

No dear trent, bringing up the fact that the worlds most famous godless atheist these days, stands against the Harry Potter series is no straw man.
I am offended when people over your way start stupid threads like Jim and floo do, suggesting these things that bother them only happen in America. Or that Christian nut jobs only exist in N America.

A few questions for Jim, as a minister and a believer you do agree that God warns us against all forms of the occult yes? You do agree that the Harry Potter series is full of the occult yes? Why do you believe that the occult cannot influence children? What was the purpose of all the warnings given in scripture Jim? Why does it upset you that a Christian mother wrote an alternative for her children that removes the occult?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim wrote:

I'm sorry, but force feeding a child only stuff 'approved' by the 'right people' is no way to educate or develop the mind.


That is exactly the nub of the issue, and you are right. I do also agree that Dawkins' humourless diapproval of children's fantasy fiction, including fairy tales, is ridiculous. He is a bit of an arse, though, so what do you expect?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocking Jim, that knowing scripture as you claim to, you promote children reading books full of the occult.

"And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds.
Many of them also which used curious arts brought forth their books together, and burned them before all men:..."   Acts 19:18, 19
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pow wow wrote:
books on witches, the occult and their craft is beyond me.


You do realise you are talking about the Harry Potter books right?

You do realise you sound like some sort of swivel-eyed loon by going on about the 'occult' and the 'craft' and how children may be influenced by reading HP and running out into the garden and waving a stick about and shouting "expecto patronus" (usually followed by a 'swoosh' sound made by the child in question)

HP is a fantasy novel, it is part of a vast fantasy genre and if you're frightened that children might be 'tempted' away from the fantasy of christianity by the lure of dungeons and dragons then you've got a weird set of priorities in life.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To Jim and dear trent, why is one objection ok and not the other? Or why can't a parent do their job and filter what their child is exposed to. My parents for example, filtered what i was allowed to watch on television when I was a child. Planet of the Apes was a no, no until I was in jr high school.


As far as I can see I never said, or indeed implied that a parent couldn't do that - so yet another straw man burning in the wind.

I repeat go back to the original reports - Dawkins merely raised the issue of fantasy fiction as a possible cause for concern in that it could influence the development of rational thought.

Clearly he was wrong as you have not displayed any rational thought and your parents denied you access to such fiction.

So what do we have, oh yes - Dawkins was wrong and you're irrational.

No surprise to me on either count.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pow wow wrote:
Shocking Jim, that knowing scripture as you claim to, you promote children reading books full of the occult.
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No.
I do not 'promote' anything. O don't censor, either.
If a child had a question regarding a book or character when I was a Sunday School teacher or BB Officer, I would state my view, backed with scripture I know the child could deal with.
I certainly would not restrain the child from reading a particular genre unless the book in question was not recommended for a child of that age.
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Many of them also which used curious arts brought forth their books together, and burned them before all men:..."   Acts 19:18, 19
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Diddly squat to do with the fantasy or sci fi genre, though
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's very dangerous Jim. You thinking that all children can separate fact from fantasy. Many adults cant's even do that. Jim, the occult is not fantasy, your Bible tells you how dangerous it is. Please don't encourage children to read books full of it and please don't attack Christians that don't want their children exposed to something that your Bible warns against.


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