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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 3:56 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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So believing is seeing, in other words?


In a sense, yes.  The Bible has several references to seeing and hearing - and those who can do neither.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But - as I've pointed out a good many times in the past - this seems to me to be rather an arse-about-face way of proceeding; that you only see/understand by the adoption first of a prior belief in the thing you're supposed to see - credo ut intelligam and what have you.

Why is the (monumentally and demonstrably successful and validated) edifice of Western rationality - in science especially - the exact opposite of this?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But - as I've pointed out a good many times in the past - this seems to me to be rather an arse-about-face way of proceeding; that you only see/understand by the adoption first of a prior belief in the thing you're supposed to see - credo ut intelligam and what have you.


I agree.  It certainly does seem upside down and inside out.  It was my biggest stumbling block before coming to faith in Christ Jesus whom I'd never seen.  Within our own intellect, it simply does not make sense.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So is there some sense in which what you're actually talking about is turning off the intellect, the rational mind?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaker wrote:
So is there some sense in which what you're actually talking about is turning off the intellect, the rational mind?


Again, in a sense, yes.  'Dying to self' is the soundbite and is part of the journey of faith:  having confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But there isn't a tremendously happy record of consequences when people turn off their brains, is there?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ketty wrote:
Shaker wrote:
But - as I've pointed out a good many times in the past - this seems to me to be rather an arse-about-face way of proceeding; that you only see/understand by the adoption first of a prior belief in the thing you're supposed to see - credo ut intelligam and what have you.


I agree.  It certainly does seem upside down and inside out.  It was my biggest stumbling block before coming to faith in Christ Jesus whom I'd never seen.  Within our own intellect, it simply does not make sense.


What does the bible say the sacred secret of the judgement is?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But there isn't a tremendously happy record of consequences when people turn off their brains, is there?


Oh, I don't know.  We're not talking brain stem death here.  The 'happiest', or at least most 'peaceful' (as in, heart-ease) folk I know are the ones who know Christ Jesus.  Mind you, some of them are the wappiest too!  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ketty wrote:
Shaker wrote:
But there isn't a tremendously happy record of consequences when people turn off their brains, is there?


Oh, I don't know.  We're not talking brain stem death here.  The 'happiest', or at least most 'peaceful' (as in, heart-ease) folk I know are the ones who know Christ Jesus.  Mind you, some of them are the wappiest too!  


Wappiest?



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ketty wrote:
Shaker wrote:
But there isn't a tremendously happy record of consequences when people turn off their brains, is there?


Oh, I don't know.  We're not talking brain stem death here.  The 'happiest', or at least most 'peaceful' (as in, heart-ease) folk I know are the ones who know Christ Jesus.  Mind you, some of them are the wappiest too!  


Wappiest?



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