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The so-called "angry atheist" is a myth, study fin
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:46 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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Certainly it is true, of course, that most atheists don't fall into the Dawkins-Angry model.

Our friend Professor Pedanticus, however, wishes me to point out that this does not necessarily justify the thread title "Angry Atheist is a Myth", because this could be taken to mean that the Angry Atheist does not exist (analogous to "the unicorn is a myth"), whereas in fact such people do exist.


This is certainly true - as is the statement "some Christians are bastards".
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trentvoyager wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Certainly it is true, of course, that most atheists don't fall into the Dawkins-Angry model.

Our friend Professor Pedanticus, however, wishes me to point out that this does not necessarily justify the thread title "Angry Atheist is a Myth", because this could be taken to mean that the Angry Atheist does not exist (analogous to "the unicorn is a myth"), whereas in fact such people do exist.


This is certainly true - as is the statement "some Christians are bastards".


Exactly - so the title "It is a myth that there are Christians who are bastards" would be similarly wrong
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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trentvoyager wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Certainly it is true, of course, that most atheists don't fall into the Dawkins-Angry model.

Our friend Professor Pedanticus, however, wishes me to point out that this does not necessarily justify the thread title "Angry Atheist is a Myth", because this could be taken to mean that the Angry Atheist does not exist (analogous to "the unicorn is a myth"), whereas in fact such people do exist.


This is certainly true - as is the statement "some Christians are bastards".


Exactly - so the title "It is a myth that there are Christians who are bastards" would be similarly wrong


Well that's all sorted then. Off out for a drink.  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberman wrote:
Certainly it is true, of course, that most atheists don't fall into the Dawkins-Angry model.


What's that?

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Our friend Professor Pedanticus, however, wishes me to point out that this does not necessarily justify the thread title "Angry Atheist is a Myth", because this could be taken to mean that the Angry Atheist does not exist (analogous to "the unicorn is a myth"), whereas in fact such people do exist.

But Prof. Pedanticus, if he lives up to his name, would be aware that this story/study relates not to angry atheists per se - the fact that some people are atheists and some of them are angry - but the stereotype or archetype of the habitually angry atheist, typically online.

I should say that it seems to be more common in public discourse in the USA much more than it is over here - hence the title of the book by the American writer and activist Greta Christina, Why Are You Atheists So Angry?, a title which would have no meaning or relevance unless the concept of the 'angry atheist' was already in the air.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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cyberman wrote:
Certainly it is true, of course, that most atheists don't fall into the Dawkins-Angry model.


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Our friend Professor Pedanticus, however, wishes me to point out that this does not necessarily justify the thread title "Angry Atheist is a Myth", because this could be taken to mean that the Angry Atheist does not exist (analogous to "the unicorn is a myth"), whereas in fact such people do exist.

But Prof. Pedanticus, if he lives up to his name, would be aware that this story/study relates not to angry atheists per se - the fact that some people are atheists and some of them are angry - but the stereotype or archetype of the habitually angry atheist, typically online.

I should say that it seems to be more common in public discourse in the USA much more than it is over here - hence the title of the book by the American writer and activist Greta Christina, Why Are You Atheists So Angry?, a title which would have no meaning or relevance unless the concept of the 'angry atheist' was already in the air.


Certainly the idea of the angry atheist is current. I think the Prof simply meant that there is an ambiguity in the thread title. To say that angry atheists exist is not a myth; they do exist. To believe (as many wrongly do, clearly) that atheism is predominantly characterised by angry atheists is indeed a myth.

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