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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:03 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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'We come up with opposing answers', is self-evidently, true.

Yes, but as I pointed out there are actual answers - true explanations - and pseudo-answers, purported explanations. Giant cosmic dragons don't eat the Sun; three celestial bodies line up sometimes in what's known as a syzygy (great word!) to create an eclipse from the viewpoint of one of those bodies. That's the real explanation; anything else is meaningless waffle. Perhaps useful and interesting if you're interested in the history of human thought, but that's all. Pseudo-explanations may tell us some things about the mental habits of ancient pre-scientific cultures, useful to anthropologists and psychologists and so forth, but they have precisely zero to add to our understanding of the way things really are and what really goes on.

There needs to be a means of accurately, reliably and consistently sorting one from the other and thank goodness there is: it's called the scientific method.

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There are answers that are true, and there are the answers we want to believe.

I couldn't have put it better myself. Science and religion respectively.

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God's Truth is not one that many want to believe. That, for me, is the top and bottom of it.

The top and bottom of it is that it isn't true.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just don't know how it is possible to believe the Bible to be factually true. There is no evidence to support the veracity of the less than credible scenarios depicted therein.

Quite. But some people feel a need to turn off all their intellectual, rational and critical faculties if doing so leads them to accept as true things that they find emotionally appealing.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just don't know how it is possible to believe the Bible to be factually true. There is no evidence to support the veracity of the less than credible scenarios depicted therein.


Come now Floo you know better than that.

Some parts of the Bible are true and some are allegorical.

However not every Christian agrees on what is true and what is allegorical, but one thing is for sure you have to be Christian to claim to understand it - if you're not you are automatically disqualified because you haven't let the Holy spirit into your life. Or something like that.

It's a bit like watching Star Trek but not being a trekkie - you can't hold a view that is valid because you are not a trekkie.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just don't know how it is possible to believe the Bible to be factually true. There is no evidence to support the veracity of the less than credible scenarios depicted therein.


Come now Floo you know better than that.

Some parts of the Bible are true and some are allegorical.

However not every Christian agrees on what is true and what is allegorical, but one thing is for sure you have to be Christian to claim to understand it - if you're not you are automatically disqualified because you haven't let the Holy spirit into your life. Or something like that.

It's a bit like watching Star Trek but not being a trekkie - you can't hold a view that is valid because you are not a trekkie.




Interesting point about the literally true/allegorical thing. Sometimes this thing was/is literally the case and sometimes this is just symbolic (says who? On what basis?), but it's funny how the resurrection, for example, is never allegorical for all but the most ultra-liberal Christians, isn't it?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However not every Christian agrees on what is true and what is allegorical, but one thing is for sure you have to be Christian to claim to understand it - if you're not you are automatically disqualified because you haven't let the Holy spirit into your life. Or something like that.


Quite a lot like that, TV.  

But then, we open a whole new can of worms like, when is a "Christian" not a Christian*?  Only the Holy-Spirit-filled-Christians can even start to discern that.

* You know, good folks like LDS, JWs and the like who claim the label, but who do not recognise Christ to be God, preach a false Gospel, and therefore are definitely not Christian.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But then, we open a whole new can of worms like, when is a "Christian" not a Christian*?


Invariably when somebody else who has Christians beliefs every bit as strong as your own believes something slightly different to you.  

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Yeah, just like that.
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As there isn't the slightest verifiable proof to back anyof it up, there is no such thing as a 'true' Christian. It is all based on pretty meaningless assumptions.

Have to pull you up there, Floo - true Christians are the ones who believe in all the right and true things; false Christians are the ones who believe in all the other, wrong things.

It's easy, see?

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Goodness knows what 'spirit filled' actually means, a state of one-upmanship on the part of those who claim to be under the mythical HS's influence, imo!

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