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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:51 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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. Now Rome can't go back, unless it admits that the "Petrine ministry" is a great lie.     .


Go back to what? And what is the lie?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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. Now Rome can't go back, unless it admits that the "Petrine ministry" is a great lie.     .


Go back to what? And what is the lie?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberman wrote:
Go back to what?


The Apostolic faith.


cyberman wrote:
And what is the lie?


I refer you to the First Vatican Council, my friend.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Creed (there is only one creed) was "anchored on scripture alone"? Now I know you're really talking rubbish and/or you've never actually read the relevant councils.

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I have indeed tried to sleep through lectures on the early councils - unfortunately without success, Paul.
Please give me one part of, say, The Apostles' Creed, which is not completely grounded in Scripture.
Just one.
Not much to ask, is it?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I said there is only one creed, that is, the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed, at least as far as the councils are concerned. Of course it's entirely scriptural but that's not the same as saying they're founded on the scriptures alone, that is, if you can find where is it says "homoousios" as opposed to "homoiousios" anywhere in the scriptures. No, we would argue that it comes from a proper understanding of the scriptures even if it is not directly found in them. The same goes, I would argue, concerning the perpetual virginity of the Blessed Theotokos.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

- for which there is no Scriptural evidence, and much Scriptural evidence to suggest she was an ordinary wife and mother to several children after Christ's Incarnation.

Here's an excellent proof - taken from Scripture.


http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/virginity-of-mary.htm
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim wrote:
- for which there is no Scriptural evidence, and much Scriptural evidence to suggest she was an ordinary wife and mother to several children after Christ's Incarnation.

Here's an excellent proof - taken from Scripture.


http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/virginity-of-mary.htm


Agreed Jim - and who could disagree that the only reliable proof is Scripture itself?  Indeed, if what we may consider 'proper' understanding conflicts with Scripture, then our understanding is in error. [/b][/i]
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim wrote:
- for which there is no Scriptural evidence, and much Scriptural evidence to suggest she was an ordinary wife and mother to several children after Christ's Incarnation.

Here's an excellent proof - taken from Scripture.


http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/virginity-of-mary.htm


Then not only do you not understand the scriptures but your understanding of the Incarnation is also deficient. The same goes for Ketty. Maybe the Incarnation embarrasses you both, who can say. The perpetual virginity of the Blessed Theotokos not only comes from a proper understanding of the scriptures (yes, you are both in serious error on this) but from a proper understanding of who Christ is.

Blessed Jerome against the heretic Helvidius: http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/helvidiu.htm
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul wrote:
Jim wrote:
- for which there is no Scriptural evidence, and much Scriptural evidence to suggest she was an ordinary wife and mother to several children after Christ's Incarnation.

Here's an excellent proof - taken from Scripture.


http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/virginity-of-mary.htm


Then not only do you not understand the scriptures but your understanding of the Incarnation is also deficient. The same goes for Ketty. Maybe the Incarnation embarrasses you both, who can say. The perpetual virginity of the Blessed Theotokos not only comes from a proper understanding of the scriptures (yes, you are both in serious error on this) but from a proper understanding of who Christ is.

Blessed Jerome against the heretic Helvidius: http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/helvidiu.htm


And you have a better understanding do you?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul wrote:
Jim wrote:
- for which there is no Scriptural evidence, and much Scriptural evidence to suggest she was an ordinary wife and mother to several children after Christ's Incarnation.

Here's an excellent proof - taken from Scripture.


http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/virginity-of-mary.htm


Then not only do you not understand the scriptures but your understanding of the Incarnation is also deficient. The same goes for Ketty. Maybe the Incarnation embarrasses you both, who can say. The perpetual virginity of the Blessed Theotokos not only comes from a proper understanding of the scriptures (yes, you are both in serious error on this) but from a proper understanding of who Christ is.


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He is God Incarnate, second Person of God, who is Triune in nature.
He is God, as per John's Gospel (several mentions), the synoptics - through His actions;
And through what Paul wrote in Colossians.
I don't need a man made theologian, bishop, pop, minister or elder to tell me that.
Nowhere in Scripture does it say Mary was anything other than a wife and mother.
We don't know the name of her mum, gran, budgie or her skirt size.
We don't need to.
Any adoration of Mary takes away from the Glory of God.
Blessed Jerome against the heretic Helvidius:    




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Blessed Jerome?
I don't remember Scripture saying anything about Jerome,or whether he was blessed or not.

-http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/helvidiu.htm



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