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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:00 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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Again, the sarcatsic "so that's fine" - what point do you think you are making??


What point did you think you were making when you mentioned that in the UK (only, apparently) more Anglican vicars have been implicated in child abuse than Catholic priests? Are we playing "Who rapes the most kids"?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaker wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Again, the sarcatsic "so that's fine" - what point do you think you are making??


What point did you think you were making when you mentioned that in the UK (only, apparently) more Anglican vicars have been implicated in child abuse than Catholic priests? Are we playing "Who rapes the most kids"?


The point I was making was :

cyberman wrote:
You are simply in factual error in contrasting the catholic clergy and the anglican clergy by reference to child abuse, as that is something they share rather than something that distinguishes them.

 


No, we are not playing wqho rapes the most kids. The chap who raped me was an Anglican priest. I simply point out that it is not a distinctly Catholic phenomenon. I know you don't like your views to be challenged, Shaker. Calm down. though
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberman wrote:
No, we are not playing wqho rapes the most kids. The chap who raped me was an Anglican priest. I simply point out that it is not a distinctly Catholic phenomenon.


I never said it was.

I'm not aware of anyone who thinks it is.

The scale/scope of Catholic child rape however - all of it, not just in the UK - would I should say dwarf that by Anglicans. Yes? It seems to be the case that most child abuse takes place in the home - within the the family: extended family if not always nuclear family. But what happens when abuse is found to be going on is that the suspects are arrested, questioned, and if there's a case to answer, tried and if found guilty severely punished. Not quietly moved somewhere else and allowed to get on with it.

That is why there's no valid comparison between one set of child abusers (parents/grandparents/'uncles' in name only) and Catholic clergy.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Of course I am not going to name the priest involved or where their parish is. The point I was trying to make is even though all the relevant high ups in the CofE know of this turbulent priest, and his antics, they appear not to be able to do anything as he has not done anything illegal, like touching up the choir boys, for instance!
The Diocesan Bishop can suspend the Parish. The Diocesan Bishop can then Licence the Rector and then revoke the Licence.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The scale/scope of Catholic child rape however - all of it, not just in the UK - would I should say dwarf that by Anglicans. Yes?


Well the Catholic church is a far larger organisation than the Anglican communion. But if seeking to answer the question "Is a Catholic priest more likely to be a rapist than an Anglican priest?" one doesn't look at the raw numbers but at the pro-rata incidence. I have never seen any figures to persuade me that the answer to that question would be "yes".
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clergy of all denominations have been implicated in child sexual abuse. The pastor of the Pentecostal church I attended as a kid, stroked my upper thigh inappropriately when I was 14, as he was driving me home from a youth meeting.  However,  the Catholic church seems to be the front runner in that respect and sort to cover it up in the most disgusting manner.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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 However,  the Catholic church seems to be the front runner in that respect .


Which figures make that 'seem' to be the case?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Floo wrote:
 However,  the Catholic church seems to be the front runner in that respect .


Which figures make that 'seem' to be the case?


More often than not when a paedophile priest hits the news they are usually Catholic!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Floo wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Floo wrote:
 However,  the Catholic church seems to be the front runner in that respect .


Which figures make that 'seem' to be the case?


More often than not when a paedophile priest hits the news they are usually Catholic!


And of course the media would never let an unbalanced picture emerge, would they! I was asking for stats, not your vague impression of what's on telly.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberman wrote:
Floo wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Floo wrote:
 However,  the Catholic church seems to be the front runner in that respect .


Which figures make that 'seem' to be the case?


More often than not when a paedophile priest hits the news they are usually Catholic!


And of course the media would never let an unbalanced picture emerge, would they! I was asking for stats, not your vague impression of what's on telly.


We all know the flipping Catholic church covered up abuse for years that is a FACT. The media would  bring to public attention any clergy of whatever denomination who abused children. I am saying it is the Catholic church who appear to be in the forefront of this evil! If you have stats proving me wrong feel free to air them!

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