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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Floo wrote:
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It would appear some Christians think the deity looks like a human male!


Would it? I don't know any adult Christian who believes that.

Are you getting confused by the fact that he is sometimes depicted that way in art? Or by the fact that we traditionally use male pronouns when referring to it?


You need to get out more!


I get out quite a bit thanks.

So, do you have any examples of adult Christians believing that God has the physical form of a human male?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to the article Moromons do:

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Some Latter-day Saints (including, on some readings, Mormonism's founding prophet Joseph Smith) have claimed that God resides within the universe rather than serving as its transcendent ground, that he began as a human being and evolved into his current state of exaltation, that he has a body, that he didn't create the universe so much as form parts of it from preexisting matter, and that Mormon men and women can themselves evolve into gods and goddesses.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Floo wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Floo wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Floo wrote:
It would appear some Christians think the deity looks like a human male!


Would it? I don't know any adult Christian who believes that.

Are you getting confused by the fact that he is sometimes depicted that way in art? Or by the fact that we traditionally use male pronouns when referring to it?


You need to get out more!


I get out quite a bit thanks.

So, do you have any examples of adult Christians believing that God has the physical form of a human male?


Yes, I have met many in my times in reality and on forums!


And what did they say exactly which led you to believe that they think that God has a physical resemblance to a human male, nostrils and all?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Floo wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Floo wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Floo wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Floo wrote:
It would appear some Christians think the deity looks like a human male!


Would it? I don't know any adult Christian who believes that.

Are you getting confused by the fact that he is sometimes depicted that way in art? Or by the fact that we traditionally use male pronouns when referring to it?


You need to get out more!


I get out quite a bit thanks.

So, do you have any examples of adult Christians believing that God has the physical form of a human male?


Yes, I have met many in my times in reality and on forums!


And what did they say exactly which led you to believe that they think that God has a physical resemblance to a human male, nostrils and all?


They believed it to be so as the male was apparently created in its image, the female of the species being a lesser bi-product!!!!!!


You are making this up. If these were biblical literalists they would believe that both male and female were made in his image. Sticking a load of exclamation marks on the end fails to hide the fact that you are making it up. Sorry x
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Floo wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Floo wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Floo wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Floo wrote:
cyberman wrote:
Floo wrote:
It would appear some Christians think the deity looks like a human male!


Would it? I don't know any adult Christian who believes that.

Are you getting confused by the fact that he is sometimes depicted that way in art? Or by the fact that we traditionally use male pronouns when referring to it?


You need to get out more!


I get out quite a bit thanks.

So, do you have any examples of adult Christians believing that God has the physical form of a human male?


Yes, I have met many in my times in reality and on forums!


And what did they say exactly which led you to believe that they think that God has a physical resemblance to a human male, nostrils and all?


They believed it to be so as the male was apparently created in its image, the female of the species being a lesser bi-product!!!!!!


You are making this up. If these were biblical literalists they would believe that both male and female were made in his image. Sticking a load of exclamation marks on the end fails to hide the fact that you are making it up. Sorry x


I am not making it up I assure you!


So what did all of these many people actually say to make you think that they believe that god has the physical form of a human male?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most Christians of my acquaintance will witter on about God being beyond our understanding and our feeble human brains can't possibly comprehend Him in all His Glory (which in itself begs the question 'if we've been created in his image how come our brains are so feeble?' but I'll let that go) blah blah spiritual waffle. However when pressed will answer my question 'well who/what do you imagine is listening when you pray/worship?' will come up with ..... well the male fatherly figure. How could they not what with all the 'our father which art in heaven' stuff?

Floo is right, the language used to describe this 'great mystery' has a very powerful influence and goes far deeper than you are allowing for. Cybers you and others may well have got beyond it, people who don't see themselves as Bible literalist or fundamentalist in any way may well have got beyond it but for so long in the history of Christianity God has been presented as just that, a kind of super MALE humanoid figure. A notion that has done a great deal of harm especially to females, and I'm reasonably certain still sits somewhere in the conciousness of many.

But I've not popped back to get into all that. It's the coinkydinkyness of seeing the title of this thread just when I was wondering the same thing myself and during last nights insomnia was wondering whether to break my silence in this forum and pose the same question.

Ok I wasn't going to come from quite the same angle. It was just as a result of random thoughts that had flittered through my wakeful brain and recalling a conversation I had with a friend many years ago about UFOs and her saying she'd come across the notion that human life had been seeded on earth as an experiment by extra terrestrials who pop back from time to time to see how we're getting on. IIRC there had been some documentary or other about alien abduction which had sparked off the convo.  We'd played with it for a bit and concluded that is seemed no more or less likely than the many of the worlds religious beliefs and indeed could chime in quite well with some of the Bible stories.  Anyway in the cold light of day I gave it no more thought until last night. I'd peeped out to see if I could see anything of the meteor shower and thought what if instead of falling stars I saw a great big spaceship?

No I haven't gone all woo on you Shaker I don't have rigourous intellectual thoughts when I can't sleep! However I was just playing with the notion and wondered just how Christians would react if Christ turned out to be not the creator of the whole universe but just one more life form that had developed just ahead of us? (Ok a bit more than 'just' ahead)

How would the rest of us feel if we realised we'd got it all wrong as well?

Ok daft notion. But is it so very daft? ('yes' says Shaker 'stop interupting my perfectly serious thread!') There are people who are perfectly sincere in their beliefs about aliens being here already and abduction stories and stuff. Some claim that the powers that be are well aware of it and just keeping it secret so as to either have more power over us or not to frighten us. I can't prove them wrong anymore than I can prove their isn't a god. Neither seem likely but what do I know?

What I do know is I have a lot of fabric and thread and I must reimpose by mb embargo (this and the sewing forum lol)  if I'm to get through it before it ends up in a house clearance auction. Toodle pip for now xxxxxxx See you when I've finished one more embroidery, one more quilt and have landscaped the garden ('spose I'll have to do the latter myself being as how Trent declined my kind invitiation by demanding Alan Titmarsh fees!! humph )

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