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Could religion survive contact with aliens?
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Shaker
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:29 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

I will get back to all that in due course ... I'm just delighted to see you here again IO  
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberman wrote:


Are you getting confused by the fact that he is sometimes depicted that way in art? Or by the fact that we traditionally use male pronouns when referring to it?


IvyOwl wrote:
 the language used to describe this 'great mystery' has a very powerful influence and goes far deeper than you are allowing for. Cybers you and others may well have got beyond it, people who don't see themselves as Bible literalist or fundamentalist in any way may well have got beyond it but for so long in the history of Christianity God has been presented as just that, a kind of super MALE humanoid figure. A notion that has done a great deal of harm especially to females, and I'm reasonably certain still sits somewhere in the conciousness of many.


Obviously yes, you are getting confused by that!

"I'm reasonably certain"...? Really? Well as long as you're "reasonably certain", then I guess no further evidence is needed! That settles it!
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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was reading in the HuffPo that Ken Ham, everybodies favourite Kentucky Fried Creationist, is claiming that Aliens don't exist so we should stop looking for 'em.

Anyways even if they do exist they are all going to burn in hell:

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"You see, the Bible makes it clear that Adamís sin affected the whole universe," Ham wrote on his blog on Sunday. "This means that any aliens would also be affected by Adamís sin, but because they are not Adamís descendants, they canít have salvation."

The post was driven in part by NASA experts saying that they expect to find evidence of alien life within the next 20 years.

"It's highly improbable in the limitless vastness of the universe that we humans stand alone," NASA administrator Charles Bolden said last week.

But Ham, president and CEO of Answers in Genesis and the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky., said we probably are alone. He wrote "earth was specially created," and the entire hunt for extraterrestrials is "really driven by manís rebellion against God in a desperate attempt to supposedly prove evolution!"

If aliens do exist, however, Ham said even Jesus can't save them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/201...-aliens-go-to-hell_n_5608368.html


So there we have it... conclusive proof that we are all alone!!



For further reading check out his musings here:  https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/alien-life/are-aliens-going-to-hell/
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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NASA experts saying that they expect to find evidence of alien life within the next 20 years.

"It's highly improbable in the limitless vastness of the universe that we humans stand alone," NASA administrator Charles Bolden said last week.


Do you think NASA are right about these two claims?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Floo wrote:
I think it is quite possible.


Of course it is possible. That doesn't come anywhere near answering the question.

Do you think that NASA are right to give a 20 year timescale for finding evidence that it is true?

Do you think that guy is right to say that it is "highly improbable" that aliens don't exist?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Floo wrote:
I think it is quite possible.


Being unable to say "I don't know" tells a lot about a person.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberman wrote:
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NASA experts saying that they expect to find evidence of alien life within the next 20 years.

"It's highly improbable in the limitless vastness of the universe that we humans stand alone," NASA administrator Charles Bolden said last week.


Do you think NASA are right about these two claims?
If I firstly dismiss Floo's contribution and answer you directly. The first statement, I personably believe alien life has been visiting this planet for many years. As for the second statement, the science of Astronomy will give an indication that other life forms exist outside the Known Space.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cymrudynnion wrote:
I personably believe alien life has been visiting this planet for many years.  


OK, we need to unpack that a little bit...

Why do you believe this? What evidence is there? (Please tell me this is not von Daniken stuff!!) What do you think these aliens have been up to?

(As you use the word "visiting", I am assuming you are talking about intelligent life).

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