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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 1:54 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Sebastian Toe wrote:
Derek wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
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Let us recall that atoms – like so many other facets of this universe – obey rules, laws, and axioms that are themselves elegantly expressed and concisely explained in mathematical notations and symbols.

Doesn’t that fact, in itself, express a degree of intelligence?


Nope.



Ayad Gharbawi - 1964-69: Born in Iraq, Baghdad. • 1969-75: Lived in Beirut, Lebanon. • 1975-82: Lived in London, UK. • 1981: Passed my GCSE, which in Syria is called the Bacaluareate. • 1982-86: BA degree from Tufts University, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. BA Degree in History. • 1987-89: MA degree from Boston University, Boston, Mass. USA. MA Degree in International Relations. • 1990-1991: Graduate MA credits from New York University in Middle Eastern Studies. • 1991-2004: Lived in London. • 2004-Present: Living in Damascus, Syria.

http://www.science20.com/profile/ayad_gharbawi

He said: Let us recall that atoms – like so many other facets of this universe – obey rules, laws, and axioms that are themselves elegantly expressed and concisely explained in mathematical notations and symbols.

Doesn’t that fact, in itself, express a degree of intelligence?

The Boyg: Degree in electrical engineering, Masters in cyberbullying and causing offence and hostility to decent and respectable people who demonstrate a greater degree of  intelligence than he possesses, a consummate liar and risible know-it-all, and finally, holds an Honouree Doctorate as a Pernicious Sociopath  

He said to Ayad Gharbawi's quote above, "Nope." Which one is the Dick? You got it.


Derek wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
Derek wrote:


Let us recall that atoms – like so many other facets of this universe – obey rules, laws, and axioms that are themselves elegantly expressed and concisely explained in mathematical notations and symbols.

Doesn’t that fact, in itself, express a degree of intelligence?


Nope.



Ayad Gharbawi - 1964-69: Born in Iraq, Baghdad. • 1969-75: Lived in Beirut, Lebanon. • 1975-82: Lived in London, UK. • 1981: Passed my GCSE, which in Syria is called the Bacaluareate. • 1982-86: BA degree from Tufts University, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. BA Degree in History. • 1987-89: MA degree from Boston University, Boston, Mass. USA. MA Degree in International Relations. • 1990-1991: Graduate MA credits from New York University in Middle Eastern Studies. • 1991-2004: Lived in London. • 2004-Present: Living in Damascus, Syria.

http://www.science20.com/profile/ayad_gharbawi

He said: Let us recall that atoms – like so many other facets of this universe – obey rules, laws, and axioms that are themselves elegantly expressed and concisely explained in mathematical notations and symbols.

Doesn’t that fact, in itself, express a degree of intelligence?

The Boyg: Degree in electrical engineering, Masters in cyberbullying and causing offence and hostility to decent and respectable people who demonstrate a greater degree of  intelligence than he possesses, a consummate liar and risible know-it-all, and finally, holds an Honouree Doctorate as a Pernicious Sociopath  

He said to Ayad Gharbawi's quote above, "Nope." Which one is the Dick? You got it.



Another post ready for a wee move?

Ketty wrote:


The personal accusations about good folk here being 'sociopaths' have been removed to the Bear Pit.  Back on topic please.  


Do you know, I have had a good look at this post, and have read it a couple of times as well, however, I just cannot find any connection in your post and the OP. It seems as though you are trying to intentionally annoy me by getting my post moved into the Bear Pit, which I am not really averse to, but the only impropriety that I can find here seems to have been done within your post.

1. it is completely off topic bearing no connection with the OP

2. Because it is Off Topic it has the potential of derail the thread by taking it off on an unrelated tangent.

3. It leaves me with the distinct impression that you are premeditatedly victimising me without cause or provocation.

4. that effectively contravenes another rule by attacking the person and not the ball, but, in this case, I do not even have the ball yet you are still attacking me. Why?  

To be perfectly honest, Trentvoyager, in his capacity and duty as a forum moderator, should remove your post because it has the potential to incite hostilities, it could take the thread off topic, and it could derail the thread thus spoiling the enjoyment of those who might want to debate the OP, it is, therefore, behaving inconsiderately as well. That would be the right thing for him to do in order to ensure a smooth, constructive and rewarding debate with minimal interruptions. Unless, of course, that is what  trentvoyager seeks to obtain. But tell someone how they should do things properly and they usually shot themselves in the foot and do the exact opposite. Indeed, he should also remove his own post as well because it encouraging you, and others, to follow suit thus casting aspersions on the fairness of moderation. All very blatant incontrovertible comportment that are simply and plainly poor conduct and a poor exemplar from a moderator, and ungentlemanly like attitude for a member of the forum. Hey, but not by my measuring stick, oh no, this is down to common decency and proper behaviour. It is what we expect each other to act like. It is the norm

Now if you want to debate whether God and Energy are the same things, then I will be more than happy to accommodate,  however, I see no reason for your continued participation here if you are not going to contribute to the debate that wil result from your gratuitous and negative act of attempting to cause adversity and annoyance to me for no justifiable reason or porpose, so, I will not be responding to future unnecessary acts of vindictiveness and harassment from you without just cause or provocation.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derek wrote:

The Boyg: Degree in electrical engineering, Masters in cyberbullying and causing offence and hostility to decent and respectable people who demonstrate a greater degree of  intelligence than he possesses, a consummate liar and risible know-it-all, and finally, holds an Honouree Doctorate as a Pernicious Sociopath  

....... Which one is the Dick? You got it.


Derek wrote:

Do you know, I have had a good look at this post, and.... the only impropriety that I can find here seems to have been done within your post.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberman wrote:
Derek wrote:

The Boyg: Degree in electrical engineering, Masters in cyberbullying and causing offence and hostility to decent and respectable people who demonstrate a greater degree of  intelligence than he possesses, a consummate liar and risible know-it-all, and finally, holds an Honouree Doctorate as a Pernicious Sociopath  

....... Which one is the Dick? You got it.


Derek wrote:

Do you know, I have had a good look at this post, and.... the only impropriety that I can find here seems to have been done within your post.


Thank you Cyberman for helping me to show that my post was completely on topic, it is much appreciated.  I know, they should have been able to see that the comparison, that you cited above, was made in relationship to the quote I posted from Ayad Gharbawi on the Web site "science 20" and the Boyg's contradiction of that quote, relating to quantum sub-atomic particles and how they act intelligently,  which is, as I am sure you know, a continuation to our debate, unlike the posts made by ST and TV, which bore no resemblance to the OP.  I would be careful though, if I were you, by defending my point they may say that your interjecting is also completely off topic so you could be seen as a hypocrite in extending the off topic remarks that Ketty has asked to cease. You do not want to break, or be accused of breaking, the forum rules, as they have blatantly done by being busy bodies. At least you tried to debate the point, didn't you?.

So, should I take it that you no longer wish to debate this topic?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Unless, of course, that is what  trentvoyager seeks to obtain



Not seeking to obtain anything old chum.

As to inciting hostilities how exactly?

This is a small MB the most hostility I have seen is someone calling someone else a Dick and a jerkoff.

Unpleasant sure - but not likely to start a riot
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Unless, of course, that is what  trentvoyager seeks to obtain



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Not seeking to obtain anything old chum.


Then why did you find it necessary to pass judgement on me?

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As to inciting hostilities how exactly?


I didn't say inciting hostility, that is your version of what I said. I said. "the potential to incite hostilities"

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This is a small MB the most hostility I have seen is someone calling someone else a Dick and a jerkoff.


Not on this thread, I haven't, and if I have on another thread then it would have been justified. I do not know how you condemn my harmless name calling when you allow the Boyg to vent his vulgar mouth outside of the Bear Pit where posters do not expect it.

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Unpleasant sure - but not likely to start a riot


It only takes two people disagreeing with each other to cause a war. Surely it is wisdom not to be unpleasant in the first place. I am most deffinitely in the right here. You had a choice to insult and continue the fracas or to perpetuate the situation, as you did.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derek wrote:

Ayad Gharbawi - 1964-69: Born in Iraq, Baghdad. • 1969-75: Lived in Beirut, Lebanon. • 1975-82: Lived in London, UK. • 1981: Passed my GCSE, which in Syria is called the Bacaluareate. • 1982-86: BA degree from Tufts University, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. BA Degree in History. • 1987-89: MA degree from Boston University, Boston, Mass. USA. MA Degree in International Relations. • 1990-1991: Graduate MA credits from New York University in Middle Eastern Studies. • 1991-2004: Lived in London. • 2004-Present: Living in Damascus, Syria..


None of which has the slightest relevance to particle physics or quantum mechanics.

As fallacious arguments from authority go, this has to be one of the worst ever.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Boyg wrote:
Derek wrote:

Ayad Gharbawi - 1964-69: Born in Iraq, Baghdad. • 1969-75: Lived in Beirut, Lebanon. • 1975-82: Lived in London, UK. • 1981: Passed my GCSE, which in Syria is called the Bacaluareate. • 1982-86: BA degree from Tufts University, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. BA Degree in History. • 1987-89: MA degree from Boston University, Boston, Mass. USA. MA Degree in International Relations. • 1990-1991: Graduate MA credits from New York University in Middle Eastern Studies. • 1991-2004: Lived in London. • 2004-Present: Living in Damascus, Syria.


None of which has the slightest relevance to particle physics or quantum mechanics.

As fallacious arguments from authority go, this has to be one of the worst ever.


Oh dear, you seem to have only read a part of what I wrote before deciding to put your foot in your mouth. You failed to post my ending, as follows, was that intentional, quoting out of context or just inadvertently leaving it out.

http://nglreturns.myfreeforum.org/ftopic4751-0-asc-60.php

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I have also written scientific manuscripts on the subject of what the definition of Consciousness, the ‘I’, and the ‘Self’ is, and ultimately writing on what the Constituents of the Mind are. These studies are deeply connected with the Quantum Physics Consciousness Sciences – and it is a subject that, perhaps not surprisingly, does not have such a large audience!.


I would suggest that it has a lot to do with particle physics and quantum mechanics and is, therefore, not a fallacious argument from authority. Have you ever written scientific manuscripts, or been asked to based on your knowledge of quantum physics? No, then enough said. Do you feel a fool, only you should do. You are not as good at debating as you are berating
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derek wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
Derek wrote:

Ayad Gharbawi - 1964-69: Born in Iraq, Baghdad. • 1969-75: Lived in Beirut, Lebanon. • 1975-82: Lived in London, UK. • 1981: Passed my GCSE, which in Syria is called the Bacaluareate. • 1982-86: BA degree from Tufts University, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. BA Degree in History. • 1987-89: MA degree from Boston University, Boston, Mass. USA. MA Degree in International Relations. • 1990-1991: Graduate MA credits from New York University in Middle Eastern Studies. • 1991-2004: Lived in London. • 2004-Present: Living in Damascus, Syria.


None of which has the slightest relevance to particle physics or quantum mechanics.

As fallacious arguments from authority go, this has to be one of the worst ever.


Oh dear, you seem to have only read a part of what I wrote before deciding to put your foot in your mouth. You failed to post my ending, as follows, was that intentional, quoting out of context or just inadvertently leaving it out.

http://nglreturns.myfreeforum.org/ftopic4751-0-asc-60.php

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I have also written scientific manuscripts on the subject of what the definition of Consciousness, the ‘I’, and the ‘Self’ is, and ultimately writing on what the Constituents of the Mind are. These studies are deeply connected with the Quantum Physics Consciousness Sciences – and it is a subject that, perhaps not surprisingly, does not have such a large audience!.



Anyone could claim that their bullshit pseudoscientific ramblings are "scientific manuscripts".

Which respected, peer-reviewed scientific journals published these works?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Boyg wrote:
Derek wrote:
The Boyg wrote:
Derek wrote:

Ayad Gharbawi - 1964-69: Born in Iraq, Baghdad. • 1969-75: Lived in Beirut, Lebanon. • 1975-82: Lived in London, UK. • 1981: Passed my GCSE, which in Syria is called the Bacaluareate. • 1982-86: BA degree from Tufts University, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. BA Degree in History. • 1987-89: MA degree from Boston University, Boston, Mass. USA. MA Degree in International Relations. • 1990-1991: Graduate MA credits from New York University in Middle Eastern Studies. • 1991-2004: Lived in London. • 2004-Present: Living in Damascus, Syria.


None of which has the slightest relevance to particle physics or quantum mechanics.

As fallacious arguments from authority go, this has to be one of the worst ever.


Oh dear, you seem to have only read a part of what I wrote before deciding to put your foot in your mouth. You failed to post my ending, as follows, was that intentional, quoting out of context or just inadvertently leaving it out.

http://nglreturns.myfreeforum.org/ftopic4751-0-asc-60.php

Quote:
I have also written scientific manuscripts on the subject of what the definition of Consciousness, the ‘I’, and the ‘Self’ is, and ultimately writing on what the Constituents of the Mind are. These studies are deeply connected with the Quantum Physics Consciousness Sciences – and it is a subject that, perhaps not surprisingly, does not have such a large audience!.



Anyone could claim that their bullshit pseudoscientific ramblings are "scientific manuscripts".

Which respected, peer-reviewed scientific journals published these works?


That you call his opinions "bullshit pseudoscientific ramblings" really says it all and exposes your arrogant mindset, however, his knowledge on the subject makes you, and I, for that matter, look less than a novice, therefore, one would give a greater credence to what he says on the subject then they would on what you have to say, which was "nope". The question is, have you ever written scientific manuscripts, or been asked to based on your knowledge of quantum physics? No, then enough said. To dismiss him in favour of your "nope" is pure stupidity as he clearly has a greater authority than you do to say what he has said, that is, that it is very likely that quantum sub-atomic particle act intelligently.

As you are no doubt aware, this debate cannot proceed, with you, without you conceding to the very real possibility of that premise, and that is why you never debate and end up in so many arguments because you always maintain that you are right, at any cost, and I mean at any cost to anyone else, because you are too stubborn to let go of that bone and hypothesise. Something that scientists do all the time. You cannot be spoken to because you already know-it-all, so to postulate would be an unnecessary and unrequired option for you. Pride,ah.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derek wrote:
The Boyg wrote:

Anyone could claim that their bullshit pseudoscientific ramblings are "scientific manuscripts".

Which respected, peer-reviewed scientific journals published these works?


That you call his opinions "bullshit pseudoscientific ramblings" really says it all and exposes your arrogant mindset, however, his knowledge on the subject makes you, and I, for that matter, look less than a novice, therefore, one would give a greater credence to what he says on the subject then they would on what you have to say, which was "nope". The question is, have you ever written scientific manuscripts, or been asked to based on your knowledge of quantum physics? No, then enough said. To dismiss him in favour of your "nope" is pure stupidity as he clearly has a greater authority than you do to say what he has said, that is, that it is very likely that quantum sub-atomic particle act intelligently.

As you are no doubt aware, this debate cannot proceed, with you, without you conceding to the very real possibility of that premise, and that is why you never debate and end up in so many arguments because you always maintain that you are right, at any cost, and I mean at any cost to anyone else, because you are too stubborn to let go of that bone and hypothesise. Something that scientists do all the time. You cannot be spoken to because you already know-it-all, so to postulate would be an unnecessary and unrequired option for you. Pride,ah.


You could have simply said "I don't know" instead of posting two paragraphs of irrelevant waffle.


You don't know which respected, peer-reviewed scientific journals published these "scientific manuscripts" and yet you expect those of us reading this nonsense to accept them as authoritative.

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