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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:21 am    Post subject: The Birthday Party  Reply with quote

bore da, shw mae?

Every year we get closer and closer to the abolition of the true meaning of Christmas as I know it. Nearly gone is the true celebration of the birth of the Saviour of mankind as we sit by and watch the popularity of Santa escalate in the lies that it so flagrantly tells, with our permission. How gullible we are to continue the traditions of a man who has never existed, never has he dropped down any chimneys, bought or made any presents for anyone, whether good  or bad. He doesn't live at the North pole with his elves, He does not possess a list of children's names or is capable of knowing whether they all have been naughty or nice. If that were true then he would have problems with how he has come in the possession of such information.

He is a lie that all of us tell our impressionable children without considering the consequences of those lies that are a part of his charade. We actually tell our children that in the middle of the night, whilst they lay in their bed, hopefully asleep, so fat man, dressed in red, shimmies dow the chimney and leave us presents, the eats the mince pies and drinks the milk and off he goes to the next door neighbours kids.

The worst thing is that they believe the lies we peddle to them. What a mockery we make of the intelligence of our children. We tell them to avoid strangers because of the increasing amount of paedophiles on our street but tell them that a fat old man is coming into their home, whilst they sleep. We tell them that mum and dad do not care enough about them to buy them present, in a similitude of the three kings and shepherds that gave gifts to Jesus, which on its own stupifies the story of the Nativity and gives the Glory to Santa. No, it was this dirty old man who comes down the chimney, if you know what I mean. I say dirty as those chimney breast can be very dirty.  

In effect, we tell our children a pack of blatant lies and expect them not to lie when they get older, after finding out that for years their parents have lied to them. And what about the actual truth, that is, that we celebrate the birth of Christ on the 25th December. It is not even mentioned in some cases. The truth about Christmas is kept from them. They are told that a lie is a truth and the truth is hidden from them. What on earth are we doing to our children? How do we justify such appalling behaviour? My family read this anonymous story out every year when we get together to remind us what Christmas really means to us. Our home contains no evidence of the existence of the lies told about Christmas. I work hard to buy my children presents and they appreciate it that I do. It is a correct principle to teach our children, appreciation. They have never been conned into believing that some red-clad fat man buys, or makes, their presents and hand delivers them as the sleep.

So, how does society justify this massive lie that is told to the most impressionable of our species? How do we justify the many lies that surround Santa? Why do we tell them that Santa is very real, yet the atheists about us tell them that Jesus is a fairy tale? If we cannot justify it then why is there no movement that demonstrates against telling this massive lie, maybe because it is one of Satan's greatest tool that he uses to thwart the plan of salvation

To all here I wish a Happy Christmas and a prosperous and spiritually progressive New Year. You may have read it before, but here is "The Birthday Party".

The Birthday. Party

As you well know, we are getting closer to my birthday. Every year there is a celebration in my honor and I think that this year the celebration will be repeated. During this time, there are many people shopping for gifts, there are many radio announcements, TV commercials, and in every part of the world everyone is talking that my birthday is getting closer and closer.

It is really very nice to know, that at least once a year, some people think of me. As you know, the celebration of my birthday began many years ago. At first, people seemed to understand and be thankful of all that I did for them, but in these times, no one seems to know the reason for the celebration. Family and friends get together and have a lot of fun, but they don’t know the meaning of the celebration.

I remember that last year there was a great feast in my honor. The dinner table was full of delicious foods, pastries, fruits, assorted nuts and chocolates. The decorations were exquisite and there were many, many beautifully wrapped gifts. But, do you want to know something? I wasn’t invited. I was the guest of honor and they didn’t remember to send me an invitation. The party was for me, but when that great day came, I was left outside, they closed the door in my face…….. . and I wanted to be with them and share their table. In truth, that didn’t surprise me because in the last few years all close their doors to me.

Since I was not invited, I decided to enter the party without making any noise. I went in and stood in a corner. They were all drinking; there were some who were drunk and telling jokes and laughing at everything. They were having a great time. To top it all, this big fat man all dressed in red wearing a long white beard entered the room yelling Ho-Ho-Ho! He seemed drunk. He sat on the sofa and all the children ran to him, saying: “Santa Claus, Santa Claus”… as if the party were in his honor!

At 12 midnight, all the people began to hug each other; I extended my arms waiting for someone to hug me and …. do you know …. no one hugged me. Suddenly they all began to share gifts. They opened them one by one with great expectation. When all had been opened, I looked to see if, maybe, there was one for me. What would you feel if on your birthday everybody shared gifts and you did not get one ? I then understood that I was unwanted at that party and quietly left.

Every year it gets worse. People only remember to eat and drink, the gifts, the parties and nobody remembers me. I would like this Christmas that you allow me to enter into your life. I would like that you recognize the fact that just over two thousand years ago I came to this world to give my life for you, on the cross, to save you. Today, I only want that you believe this with all you heart.

I want to share something with you. As many didn’t invite me to their party, I will have my own celebration, a grandiose party that no one has ever imagined, a spectacular party. I’m still making the final arrangements. Today I am sending out many invitations and there is an invitation for you. I want to know if you wish to attend and I will make a reservation for you and write your name with golden letters in my great guest book. Only those on the guest list will be invited to the party. Those who don’t answer the invitation, will be left outside.

Do you know how you can answer this invitation?

It is by extending it to others whom you care for…share it among friends!

I’ll be waiting for all of you to attend my party this year…

See you soon …. I love you!

Jesus Christ
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since December 25 was certainly not the date on which Christ Jesus - God Incarnate - was born, the glittery trash which surrounds the season is more an annoyance than anything else.
I find absolutely no problem in communicating the joy of Jesus - the man who is God - to all and sundry, while enjoying the end of year atmosphere.
Much of the Christmas shmaltz in the Church is cosy as well - if you think about it.
How many of our well loved carols are actually Scripturally accrate (even if they are a good 'sing')?
- And, yes, I belt 'em out with the best of them.
About one of the few which IS scripturally accurate - incorporating the theology of all four Gospels - "O come all ye Faithful" was actually, in its' original Latin form, a coded Jacobite message!
So the 'season' has always been exploited - whether for commercial or political gain.
It doesn't mask the Christian truth - that
"In the begining was the Word, and the Word was with God - and the Word WAS God".
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim wrote:
Since December 25 was certainly not the date on which Christ Jesus - God Incarnate - was born, the glittery trash which surrounds the season is more an annoyance than anything else.
I find absolutely no problem in communicating the joy of Jesus - the man who is God - to all and sundry, while enjoying the end of year atmosphere.
Much of the Christmas shmaltz in the Church is cosy as well - if you think about it.
How many of our well loved carols are actually Scripturally accrate (even if they are a good 'sing')?
- And, yes, I belt 'em out with the best of them.
About one of the few which IS scripturally accurate - incorporating the theology of all four Gospels - "O come all ye Faithful" was actually, in its' original Latin form, a coded Jacobite message!
So the 'season' has always been exploited - whether for commercial or political gain.
It doesn't mask the Christian truth - that
"In the begining was the Word, and the Word was with God - and the Word WAS God".


You are quite right, the 25th December is not His actual birth date, it is just the day on which we celebrate his Birth. I believe his birth date was in April. Either way, the point is that it is gradually being forgotten and replace by the lie called Santa.

It matters not what religion you belong to or what dogma you choose to believe in, Jesus Christ was born of Mary, that is a common denominator in all Christian religions. The point here is that as a society we allow our children to be fed with horrendous lies about a fat man dressed in red sneaking into our homes during the night with permission from our parents. It is ludicrous and unethical. That it has always been exploited only adds to the atrocity.

God Incarnate, where does it tell us about that in scriptures.

Matthew 3:17

16After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, 17and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."

There is always a mention about the trinity to taunt me with, isn't there Jim. As can be clearly seen in scripture, three separate and distinct Individuals.  Jesus, who had just been baptized, the Holy Ghost, who descended from heaven in the form of a dove, and God, whose voice was heard out of the heavens. No ambiguities or indiscretion, just the plain undeniable truth, written plainly in scripture, so, no need for men to interpret words that are already plain and simple to understand.

John 1:3
3Grace, mercy and peace will be with us, from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As foor the Incarnation?
Johanine theology for starters...and only starters.
I agree on the Santa tripe. I've never told kids about that stuff - hagiography - even skewed hagiography - is not my scene.
I've caused a few stushies in a former life as a Sunday School teacher...if a child asked me what I believed, I told them - straight.
That meant a run in with a few irate parents more than once, but when I asked them to show me in Scripture the truth of Santa, that ended the conversation.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I for one and most likely millions of others are proud to Celebrate the Birth of Our Lord and Saviour and to celebrate it on 25th December.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cymrudynnion wrote:
I for one and most likely millions of others are proud to Celebrate the Birth of Our Lord and Saviour and to celebrate it on 25th December.


Celebrations are not dependent on a specific time in history, they are dependent on the actual event to be remembered and commemorated, not the time or date that it occurred.

Yes, I would have expected as much from a Christian, such as yourself, as I would have expected Jim to also concur. It is the atheists who are quick to tell their children that a God does not exist, along with His son, Jesus Christ, however, they follow the farce of the well-known lies of Santa. It is all a little hypocritical and dishonest to me. Almost like by promoting Santa, a false prophet, they can get rid of Christianity. Nothing good ever comes from dishonesty and in this case, it is more than likely that it will be the children who will suffer as they wonder what other lies they are being told, by the parents they trusted implicitly, like the Tooth Fairy or Peter Pan. I distinctly remember how hurt I felt when I was told that Santa and the Tooth Fairy were just a pack of lies. I really thought that they existed, and even thought I heard the bells on his sleigh one Christmas night. What a fool I felt. How quick I was to encourage my teeth to come out just for the money I would get from a Tooth Fairy that really lived, that is without mentioning the troll under my bed who would get me if I did not go straight to sleep. In effect, the Mosaic Law.

The truth we seem to willingly suppress, whereas, the lies we seem to encourage and even promote. But, we have been warned, God has told us about this, so for Christians, like you, and in this case, Jim, we would expect the words you have both expressed is your retorts. It is a demonstration of the separation of the chaff, that is blown away, being unusable, and the seeds, that produce the fruit, not  unlike yourself, that comes by following the teachings of Christ.

Isaiah 5:20

20. Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! 21. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight!…

Bible Commentary

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil,.... That call evil actions good, and good actions evil; that excuse the one, and reproach the other; or that call evil men good, and good men evil; to which the Targum agrees. Some understand this of false prophets rejecting the true worship of God, and recommending false worship; others of wicked judges, pronouncing the causes of bad men good, and of good men evil; others of sensualists, that speak in praise of drunkenness, gluttony, and all carnal pleasures, and fleshly lusts, and treat with contempt fear, worship, and service of God. It may very well be applied to the Scribes and Pharisees in Christ's time, who preferred the evil traditions of their elders, both to the law of God, that is holy, just, and good, and to the Gospel, the good word of God, preached by John the Baptist, Christ and his apostles, and to the ordinances of the Gospel dispensation:
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim wrote:
As foor the Incarnation?
Johanine theology for starters...and only starters.k
I agree on the Santa tripe. I've never told kids about that stuff - hagiography - even skewed hagiography - is not my scene.
I've caused a few stushies in a former life as a Sunday School teacher...if a child asked me what I believed, I told them - straight.
That meant a run in with a few irate parents more than once, but when I asked them to show me in Scripture the truth of Santa, that ended the conversation.


Jim, I kinda expected that you to would disagree with the entire ethos of Santa Claus, but still good to read it in your own words.

I have to say that you seem to have a fixation on the words of men and almost seem to give them greater authority then you do to God. Have you ever tried asking God, in the name of Jesus Christ, if these things are true. I can assure you that by the power of the Holy Ghost you can know the truth of all things. I have never recieved conformation that such a thing as God Incarnate exists.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Derek:127795"]
Jim wrote:
As foor the Incarnation?
Johanine theology for starters...and only starters.k
I agree on the Santa tripe. I've never told kids about that stuff - hagiography - even skewed hagiography - is not my scene.
I've caused a few stushies in a former life as a Sunday School teacher...if a child asked me what I believed, I told them - straight.
That meant a run in with a few irate parents more than once, but when I asked them to show me in Scripture the truth of Santa, that ended the conversation.


Jim, I kinda expected that you to would disagree with the entire ethos of Santa Claus, but still good to read it in your own words.

I have to say that you seem to have a fixation on the words of men and almost seem to give them greater authority then you do to God. Have you ever tried asking God, in the name of Jesus Christ, if these things are true. I can assure you that by the power of the Holy Ghost you can know the truth of all things. I have never recieved conformation that such a thing as God Incarnate exists.





Have I prayed, asking the Paraclete for guidance? Oh, yes - constantly.
Just as those who translated Scripture also prayed - and every Christian translation * has a similar message - that the Johanine theology in John 1:1, is the correct one.
Based on what MSS we have, all the evidence points to an unassailable translation that the Jesus who used the tetragrammaton of Himself is the won who was both with God, and God Himself.



* - the NWT is NOT a Christian translation (or much of any other kind of translation, come to that...)
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Jim:127797"]
Derek wrote:
Jim wrote:
As foor the Incarnation?
Johanine theology for starters...and only starters.k
I agree on the Santa tripe. I've never told kids about that stuff - hagiography - even skewed hagiography - is not my scene.
I've caused a few stushies in a former life as a Sunday School teacher...if a child asked me what I believed, I told them - straight.
That meant a run in with a few irate parents more than once, but when I asked them to show me in Scripture the truth of Santa, that ended the conversation.


Jim, I kinda expected that you to would disagree with the entire ethos of Santa Claus, but still good to read it in your own words.

I have to say that you seem to have a fixation on the words of men and almost seem to give them greater authority then you do to God. Have you ever tried asking God, in the name of Jesus Christ, if these things are true. I can assure you that by the power of the Holy Ghost you can know the truth of all things. I have never received conformation that such a thing as God Incarnate exists.





Have I prayed, asking the Paraclete for guidance? Oh, yes - constantly.
Just as those who translated Scripture also prayed - and every Christian translation * has a similar message - that the Johanine theology in John 1:1, is the correct one.
Based on what MSS we have, all the evidence points to an unassailable translation that the Jesus who used the tetragrammaton of Himself is the won who was both with God, and God Himself.



* - the NWT is NOT a Christian translation (or much of any other kind of translation, come to that...)


If that is what you believe then who am I to question your belief. I do not believe as you do and I to believe that the Holy Ghost, or Paraclete, as you have described him, has told me something completely different than he has told you. One of us is receiving inspiration from a dodgy source and will have to stand accountable for it. I see no benefit in contending with you over which one is right as we are both as rigid in our beliefs system as the other is. We will never find common ground, and we are both entitled to our personal beliefs and opinions. I just do not have the same level of trust in the translations and interpretations of men as you do.

As I am sure that I have already told you before, I tend to use the KJV of the Bible, unless I am quoting from an internet search.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does Santa exist? An interesting question posed by Derek. Well in fact yes he does but not in the format of the lie (strong word) told to children.I may be wrong here, but, wasn't Santa along with the Christmas Tree something foisted, again if thats the right word, on us by Prince Albert the Consort of Queen Victoria. Albert was German, and if I am correct introduced Christmas Trees to Britain. Santa Claus is a corruption of Santa, Saint, Claus, Nicolas patron saint of children. I would also agree with previous comments Jesus was most likely to have been born in April or thereabouts.

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